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Jazz Sign Rudy Gay

KqWIN said:
I mean...do we really want Rudy Gay shooting pull up mid range jump shots in the playoffs. Over everyone else on our team? Shot creation is the last thing this team needed, and that is Rudy's biggest strength. This isn't a Joe Johnson situation where the team desperately needed another scorer. We have multiple players who only score.

Offensively, the biggest thing we need from this position is someone to make wide open shots. While Gay just had a career shooting (hopefully he doesn't regress at 35), we just replaced a guy who shoots significantly better. Also, if we're going to take his 3 point shooting for last season was real, we ought to point out that his mid range was bad last year. That's why he was wayyyy below league average efficiency.

Defensively, he is an upgrade over Niang I'll give you that. As long as age doesn't catchup to him. The rebounding is a nice plus too. Gay only played about 100 minutes at C last year. He can always start playing C, but it's not really something he's done before. I'm not sure what having the small 5 does for us anyways. Does it space the floor? I suppose, but the rim running C has provided so much value in our offense which has not been a problem. Does it do anything for us defensively? Not really.

If it was a perfect fit, he would provide the things we need most. Perimeter defense, defensive rotations, defensive playmaking ect. Rudy Gay might still be a nice payer, but that is not his game. His game is providing shot creation and that is not a need at all.
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Jesus… sorry we couldn’t get Kawhi Leonard for the taxpayer MLE.

Your assessment of Gays game needs some serious refreshing. He isn’t the midrange chucker he used to be. He brings a bunch of flexibility and modernized his game. Same thing JC did to make himself a winning player.

This deal is a home run… it’s as good as we possibly could have done.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Jesus… sorry we couldn’t get Kawhi Leonard for the taxpayer MLE.

Your assessment of Gays game needs some serious refreshing. He isn’t the midrange chucker he used to be. He brings a bunch of flexibility and modernized his game. Same thing JC did to make himself a winning player.

This deal is a home run… it’s as good as we possibly could have done.
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I do think we are fortunate to get Gay at the TPMLE. He is a good value. If you’re saying he’s the best we could have gotten with the exception, so wouldn’t necessarily disagree. I was speaking more from the perspective of his game not exactly being what we needed. We didn’t need a plus usage player, but we did need better defenders and he might be one of the top 3 defenders in our rotation next year.

BTW, there is a reason why he was significantly below league average efficiency last year. It’s because he still takes a lot of kid range shots and he barely gets to the rim and FT line these days. Makes sense, he’s about to 35 and has played a million minutes in this league.

I love this deal if it motivates us to move one of our scorers for a utility player. As it stands right now, we have too many guys that want shots/touches. The move on its own isn’t terrible if we don’t make the deal. You’re right, we probably couldn’t have gotten a better player here.

My dislike is generally directed at the over allocation of scorers on this team and that Gay is one more plus usage guy. But I think we’re talking about different things here. I think he potentially adds to a problem that already existed, but you’re saying we couldn’t have done better. I think both are true.
 
KqWIN said:
I do think we are fortunate to get Gay at the TPMLE. He is a good value. If you’re saying he’s the best we could have gotten with the exception, so wouldn’t necessarily disagree. I was speaking more from the perspective of his game not exactly being what we needed. We didn’t need a plus usage player, but we did need better defenders and he might be one of the top 3 defenders in our rotation next year.

BTW, there is a reason why he was significantly below league average efficiency last year. It’s because he still takes a lot of kid range shots and he barely gets to the rim and FT line these days. Makes sense, he’s about to 35 and has played a million minutes in this league.

I love this deal if it motivates us to move one of our scorers for a utility player. As it stands right now, we have too many guys that want shots/touches. The move on its own isn’t terrible if we don’t make the deal. You’re right, we probably couldn’t have gotten a better player here.

My dislike is generally directed at the over allocation of scorers on this team and that Gay is one more plus usage guy. But I think we’re talking about different things here. I think he potentially adds to a problem that already existed, but you’re saying we couldn’t have done better. I think both are true.
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His three point attempt rate will be over 50% as a Jazz man. He got to 44% this year which is double from his Sacramento days. While he’s slowing down athletically he has more athleticism as an old man than Niang ever had. He’s got length and I think he’s going to get some run as a small ball 5 and do quite well. Can he be an effective roll man? He might be great because he can actually handle the ball off the catch. He’s a piece that Quin should be able to use in a variety of ways.

He also will help us play big. If a team goes small like the clips did and they commit lots of bodies to Gobert then there will be cracks for Gay to attack and he will do work there.

I just think we shouldn’t be doing “yeah-buts” here. There was a very real possibility of us missing out and signing someone like Solomon hill to a minimum. I’m glad he can use possessions. There are times we need that… like when Donovan is being trapped and kicks it over to the open guy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
His three point attempt rate will be over 50% as a Jazz man. He got to 44% this year which is double from his Sacramento days. While he’s slowing down athletically he has more athleticism as an old man than Niang ever had. He’s got length and I think he’s going to get some run as a small ball 5 and do quite well. Can he be an effective roll man? He might be great because he can actually handle the ball off the catch. He’s a piece that Quin should be able to use in a variety of ways.

He also will help us play big. If a team goes small like the clips did and they commit lots of bodies to Gobert then there will be cracks for Gay to attack and he will do work there.

I just think we shouldn’t be doing “yeah-buts” here. There was a very real possibility of us missing out and signing someone like Solomon hill to a minimum. I’m glad he can use possessions. There are times we need that… like when Donovan is being trapped and kicks it over to the open guy.
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Sure. I’m happy and honestly surprised that Jazz used their exception at all. I’m a little more skeptical that he can completely transform his game, but getting him is a positive because it’s not my money.

Like I said, if we move Bogey/Clarkson, I freaking love this deal. The nice thing about Gay is that he is a better defender than all of our other scorers. I said this earlier, but I can feasibly see him closing games because of that.

The bad thing about this roster is that Rudy Gay is one of our better defenders. The signing of Rudy Gay isn’t bad, the complexion of our roster is terrible. Please make a trade JZ.
 
Uhhhhhhhhh



This is... really bad...

It means they will only have matching rights to the MLE as they would only have Early Bird Rights. In other words; If he pops, someone will poach him really easily.

Should’ve just picked him at 30 if the seconds didn’t even get Favors off. Really, incredibly short-sighted for a dude they supposedly targeted to trade up for in the lottery.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Uhhhhhhhhh



This is... really bad...

It means they will only have matching rights to the MLE as they would only have Early Bird Rights. In other words; If he pops, someone will poach him really easily.

Should’ve just picked him at 30 if the seconds didn’t even get Favors off. Really, incredibly short-sighted for a dude they supposedly targeted to trade up for in the lottery.
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Wonder if the Jazz can work something out with SAS to make Gay a S&T into the TPE.
 
I guess they could try doing what the Cavs tried with Boozer and try to get him his raise early so they can get his Bird Rights, but then they won’t have RFA rights.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Uhhhhhhhhh



This is... really bad...

It means they will only have matching rights to the MLE as they would only have Early Bird Rights. In other words; If he pops, someone will poach him really easily.

Should’ve just picked him at 30 if the seconds didn’t even get Favors off. Really, incredibly short-sighted for a dude they supposedly targeted to trade up for in the lottery.
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Yeah, I’ve thought this. Not having the first round contract stuff may bite us in the ***. And for what?
 
infection said:
Yeah, I’ve thought this. Not having the first round contract stuff may bite us in the ***. And for what?
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To make Butler feel slighted out of the gate? He is, by the way. His introductory press conference featured him spilling a little salt about the draft.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Uhhhhhhhhh



This is... really bad...

It means they will only have matching rights to the MLE as they would only have Early Bird Rights. In other words; If he pops, someone will poach him really easily.

Should’ve just picked him at 30 if the seconds didn’t even get Favors off. Really, incredibly short-sighted for a dude they supposedly targeted to trade up for in the lottery.
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Yeah I been saying this. If he pops we still match and keep him so that’s the good news. We save a bunch in tax… but it’s obviously not ideal. While I love him… who knows maybe he is just okay or can’t stay healthy. I would have passed on the second rounders and taken the guaranteed deal.
 
NUMBERICA said:
To make Butler feel slighted out of the gate? He is, by the way. His introductory press conference featured him spilling a little salt about the draft.
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I’d like to see Butler play a few games before I anoint him anything.

I am super excited about him, BTW.
 
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