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Thoughts on Trading Bogdanvic

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Qman

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I think we have all see it this season. Bogie working to score and not working on boards or on defense. Without Bogie we have enough scoring options with Conley, Mitchell, Clarkson and when he gets back Gay. We need a better defender. So who can we trade bogie for?

The only one I see right now is Bogie for Harrison Barnes with Sacramento. We would would have to throw in draft equity.
 
I don't see any feasible moves here. We're not going to offer him to a team who's going to give us equal value. The only way you move him is for much less value and if your assumption is that the positives would come from giving more minutes to guys already on the roster.
 
Personally I wouldn't trade anyone because I think the additions we made in the offseason might just be enough to get us over the hump in the playoffs. But if I was going to make a trade, I would trade Clarkson and move Bogey to the bench to take his place as the scorer off the bench. Bogey's just so much more efficient with his scoring that I would have a really hard time letting him go and keeping JC. I Bogey could thrive off the bench and get more touches because he'd be playing less minutes with Mitchell and Conley.
 
If there was a snowball's chance in hell that we could get 1) equal value and 2) a solution to our true actual and only unaddressed need: better perimeter defense and 3) a negligible drop-off in scoring and/or 3 pt shooting we get from Bogey, then I would say **** yeah, sign me up, let's trade him.

But there isn't so we shouldn't.
 
I'm not about to overreact to a few games....but I've also been thinking this trade is overdue. I was hoping something would happen during the off-season. The Jazz have more than enough scoring on this roster while also having significant needs.

I would agree with others that making a trade is difficult, but it's something we should be looking for. As far as realistic targets, I think Josh Hart stands out the most. I understand the reservations about him. Bogey is a better player than him, but I think we could get Hart and come away with some draft capital too. Huge tax savings too if you care about a billionaires wallet.
 
Throw in a couple firsts too. This is a guaranteed championship like 2-3 years in a row.

Conley-Butler
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O’Neale-Ingles
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Gobert-Whiteside
 
I've been banging this particular drum for a while now. Bogie's been a great pickup, but they likely wouldn't have signed him if they knew they were picking up Conley.
We have plenty of offense, there is still a need for defense and some size, I think. There's going to have be someone to throw at AD, Lebron, PG, Kawaii,
hopefully Giannis, KD, and X number of stars on a deep playoff run. Royce can't do it all (and I'd try to upgrade him too. Maybe package the both of them.)

It's not something that should be looked at seriously until closer to the deadline. But this is the year to swing for the fences.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm not about to overreact to a few games....but I've also been thinking this trade is overdue. I was hoping something would happen during the off-season. The Jazz have more than enough scoring on this roster while also having significant needs.

I would agree with others that making a trade is difficult, but it's something we should be looking for. As far as realistic targets, I think Josh Hart stands out the most. I understand the reservations about him. Bogey is a better player than him, but I think we could get Hart and come away with some draft capital too. Huge tax savings too if you care about a billionaires wallet.
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I've been thinking it's overdue but I hadn't considered the tax implications as well. That's even more motivation to do it.

Also, he's getting old, he'll turn 33 before the playoffs. It would be wise to cash in now.
 
campaignist said:
I've been thinking it's overdue but I hadn't considered the tax implications as well. That's even more motivation to do it.

Also, he's getting old, he'll turn 33 before the playoffs. It would be wise to cash in now.
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I still think the tax implications could be a bigger deal than we think. IIRC, Locke mentioned that he doesn’t think the Jazz will pay the huge tax bill we are due for.

It’s tough to trade a player who is ,on the surface at least, one of the better players on your team when you’re going all in to win for money reasons…but I really think we can do both.

I don’t want to be the Bogey hater guy, but out of all our players I think he’s the one who’s reputation and contract exceeds his actual value the most.
 
If the Jazz can upgrade Bogey or O'Neale, they should look into it. I don't mind Bogey though. He's a high-gravity floor spacer who can attack a closeout or a mismatch. He's like a Gallinari-type stretch 4. I just wish he could shoot off the dribble. Jazz would be favorites to win it if they had Khris Middleton.
 
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Bogie has been dealing with (non-Covid) illness for 2 games.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t want to be the Bogey hater guy, but out of all our players I think he’s the one who’s reputation and contract exceeds his actual value the most.
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Bingo. Love the guy but this is right.

It sucks thinking of trades, there's basically no player on the team i don't like anymore
 

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Memphis is getting another elite shooter to space the floor for Morant. Bogey could provide some much needed vet experience to help a young Memphis team for their playoffs push. Also getting rid of Dillon Bricks that stood in the way of their young guys in Bane and Melton who are absolutely balling at the moment.

Jazz get a good young prospect in Clarke who fell out of Jenkins rotation but could be good use to the Jazz as a functional 4/small ball 5.
 
I like Bogie, and I’m sure the other players like going into battle with him. I’d only trade him for a clear upgrade on the defensive end. The name that always comes up for me is Robert Covington. This deal probably has no chance of happening, but Portland might panic at some point and push for more 3pt shooting (like they did last year). And maybe the addition of Nance makes them more confident in this kind of swap.

EDIT: wow, looks like Covington might really be fading. I probably wouldn’t do this trade.
 
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KqWIN said:
I still think the tax implications could be a bigger deal than we think. IIRC, Locke mentioned that he doesn’t think the Jazz will pay the huge tax bill we are due for.

It’s tough to trade a player who is ,on the surface at least, one of the better players on your team when you’re going all in to win for money reasons…but I really think we can do both.

I don’t want to be the Bogey hater guy, but out of all our players I think he’s the one who’s reputation and contract exceeds his actual value the most.
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I don't think Bogey is overpaid. I think the Jazz would consider moving him, however, because he's a bit redundant with Ingles. In the Jazz's game vs. Denver, Quin closed with Ingles on the floor instead of Bogey.

Mitchell, Conley and Ingles put three on-ball creators on the floor at the same time, which fits what Quin likes to do. I could also see Rudy Gay eating into Bogey's minutes, because it would give us more size and defense. A lineup with Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, Gay and Gobert might turn out to be our best 5-man group.
 
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