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Eric Paschall is not who I thought he was

Gay is going to need time to adjust to his new role and gel with the team. That takes precedence over anything else. We have the advantage of continuity where the rest of the team really doesn't need a lot of minutes together throughout the regular season. Quin should have the luxury of experimenting with different rotations and schemes.
 
KqWIN said:
Paschall would be a beast in the screen and roll game as a 5. He would be like Harrell with a spaced floor.

Defense/rebounding is the much bigger question. Whiteside and Paschall both have their strengths and weaknesses there. I don't love the idea of matching up to small ball because the whole point of doing that is you can matchup 1-5 but the Jazz have issues matching up 1-4 already. I do like how it forces the other defenders to engage and be more active, however. It may not be effective as a whole, but it builds better defensive habits.
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I am not really sure about the first part. Can he provide enough rim pressure? Can he get to his spots against quicker defenders when the focus is going to be on him?

All of Jazz's best defensive line-ups include Rudy. I guess Jazz may go small when he is resting.

I really don't trust Clarkson, Mitchell, Ingles, Bogey at all. I don't think you can build habits with them. They are just defensively challenged.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I was very excited when I heard we traded for him, and thought he’d be better than most thought. I just remember researching his second year, he went through a lot, not being healthy and almost exclusively playing center, wore him down, so I thought there were a lot of factors that held him down last year because he actually got off to a good start but slowed down as the year went on. He’s definitely more comfortable playing a 4.
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I also recall herring on a warriors podcast that he almost always played with Green and the sports writer felt they didn’t really mix well with styles. As well
 
Hekate said:
I am not really sure about the first part. Can he provide enough rim pressure? Can he get to his spots against quicker defenders when the focus is going to be on him?

All of Jazz's best defensive line-ups include Rudy. I guess Jazz may go small when he is resting.

I really don't trust Clarkson, Mitchell, Ingles, Bogey at all. I don't think you can build habits with them. They are just defensively challenged.
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He sets big wide screens and he may not finish like Harrell but he can catch and maneuver or make good passes. He can also pop and hit mid range shots. If the defense holds I think he'd be great based on the small sample I've watched.

Donovan and JC have been better on defense. They have to be better if we are going to win at the highest levels anyway. We need to experiment with different looks. If Quin doesn't dabble with it then he's too rigid to coach a champion.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Me too... my worry is Quin has had such a hard time with managing this at times. He seems to push too hard or be too rigid. We are close to 100%... does Quin have the discipline to sit Mike and/or Joe on the backend of the back to back coming up? Those are big games... do we want to test ourselves or hamstring ourselves in 1 or both? What if you decide to sit Mike and Joe in Milwaukee then lose the Chicago game?
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I think Quin's rigidness plays more into the resting thing. His rotation is very formulaic as we all know and he doesn't like to deviate from it. He was good about resting Conley last year during B2B's and I think he would be comfortable doing the same with Joe with Joe's streak no longer alive. Most players on media day, including Don, talked about the idea of resting and getting to the post-season healthy after falling victim to injuries themselves.

Maybe you don't have to rest one guy each night. There's about 12-15 minutes give or take for both backup positions in a normal non garbage time night. One guy can get the full run each night, and the other two split. Rotate that depending on matchup or on a regular cadence. The nice thing is that any combo of the 3 players works. Joe and Bogey can also take some nights off.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't know what players actually prefer, but I'd rather see a guy sit one game and play the next instead of chopping up the rotation and finding minutes here or there.
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I think this makes the most sense. If you rest one of Whiteside/Gay/Paschall every three games, you get the benefit of rest, retaining some in-game rhythm and do it without cratering their superficial stats. It’s also important to keep the depth ready for when injury strikes or for playoff versatility.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think this makes the most sense. If you rest one of Whiteside/Gay/Paschall every three games, you get the benefit of rest, retaining some in-game rhythm and do it without cratering their superficial stats. It’s also important to keep the depth ready for when injury strikes or for playoff versatility.
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Yeah, this is probably the way to do it. I forget how important per game stats are still.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He sets big wide screens and he may not finish like Harrell but he can catch and maneuver or make good passes. He can also pop and hit mid range shots. If the defense holds I think he'd be great based on the small sample I've watched.

Donovan and JC have been better on defense. They have to be better if we are going to win at the highest levels anyway. We need to experiment with different looks. If Quin doesn't dabble with it then he's too rigid to coach a champion.
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I thought the same last year. I am not going to be fooled again, lol.

RE: Paschall. Defensively, if teams involve him on the PnR, he is probably going to struggle. He has some freedom now with Gobert behind him and he is profitting off that. What happens without him?
Offensively, I don't think he has the skillset to pop from 3. He has a push shot and a little more variety around the rim. I agree that he is a willing passer but I doubt he will have the gravity to pull guys towards him and open up a teammate. I just don't think he will be impactful consistently.

May be I soured a little bit on basketball and it's affecting my thoughts.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He sets big wide screens and he may not finish like Harrell but he can catch and maneuver or make good passes. He can also pop and hit mid range shots. If the defense holds I think he'd be great based on the small sample I've watched.

Donovan and JC have been better on defense. They have to be better if we are going to win at the highest levels anyway. We need to experiment with different looks. If Quin doesn't dabble with it then he's too rigid to coach a champion.
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He's honestly not that far off as a finisher than Harrell and he's never gotten the opportunity to play the 5 on spaced floor with talent around him. Paschall is a beast inside and I have no doubts he would kill it offensively. His mid range game is a nice counter that is more than good enough to make defenses honest.

HOU got wrecked last night, but you can tell they're a team that's more practiced at switching than us and it disrupted us at times. When they preswitch or cross switch off the ball it's actually pretty tough to score on them even though they have crappy defenders. I'm seeing a lot of this around the league. CLE can guard no one on the ball with a terrible defensive backcourt and three 7 footers, but they do a good job with their switching on and off the ball to mitigate their shortcomings and utilize their strengths. Mobley is freaking everywhere and it's because they are making sure he gets involved in every action so he can defend it.

Another popular thing I'm seeing across the league is random doubling just to disrupt flow and eat some clock. The T-Wolves (another team with less than stellar defensive talent) are really aggressive doubling and not just trapping a PnR....but also when a guy is getting ready to iso or setting up a play. Doubling when they don't expect it can really throw off rhythm and timing.

I'd like to see us get to a level where we can use tricks and smoke and mirrors to be more versatile on defense without the best personnel.
 
Hekate said:
I thought the same last year. I am not going to be fooled again, lol.

RE: Paschall. Defensively, if teams involve him on the PnR, he is probably going to struggle. He has some freedom now with Gobert behind him and he is profitting off that. What happens without him?
Offensively, I don't think he has the skillset to pop from 3. He has a push shot and a little more variety around the rim. I agree that he is a willing passer but I doubt he will have the gravity to pull guys towards him and open up a teammate. I just don't think he will be impactful consistently.

May be I soured a little bit on basketball and it's affecting my thoughts.
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I think there are things he can do. If he is the 5 going against a traditional 5 that is dropping then he has time to get to the three point line and set himself. If you get the switch and its Jamychal Green type the guards can drive on the mismatch and he can hit the glass. I think he can also post up a little if they want to do that. He is good in the midrange and I share your doubts on his three point shot... I just think he's skilled enough to hurt teams in multiple ways.

Defensively if you switch screens I think he's quick enough to survive. If you play him with Rudy Gay or Royce then you have some additional rebounding to help out. It might not be something you want to do for 20 minutes a night but might buy some time for 10 minutes on some nights and disrupt the other teams offensive rhythm.
 
Hekate said:
I thought the same last year. I am not going to be fooled again, lol.

RE: Paschall. Defensively, if teams involve him on the PnR, he is probably going to struggle. He has some freedom now with Gobert behind him and he is profitting off that. What happens without him?
Offensively, I don't think he has the skillset to pop from 3. He has a push shot and a little more variety around the rim. I agree that he is a willing passer but I doubt he will have the gravity to pull guys towards him and open up a teammate. I just don't think he will be impactful consistently.

May be I soured a little bit on basketball and it's affecting my thoughts.
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I think Paschall becomes the guy you put in when you need someone roughed up. Who thought he might be our perimeter defender. Is he the 3 and D guy we need from time to time? Might be. But he shouldn't be in long enough to get exposed on D other than to do what he did to Barton and spend some time stifling someone and disrupting their rhythm. Then he sits down again. Could be very effective this way, if he can consistently deliver on this.
 
KqWIN said:
He's honestly not that far off as a finisher than Harrell and he's never gotten the opportunity to play the 5 on spaced floor with talent around him. Paschall is a beast inside and I have no doubts he would kill it offensively. His mid range game is a nice counter that is more than good enough to make defenses honest.

HOU got wrecked last night, but you can tell they're a team that's more practiced at switching than us and it disrupted us at times. When they preswitch or cross switch off the ball it's actually pretty tough to score on them even though they have crappy defenders. I'm seeing a lot of this around the league. CLE can guard no one on the ball with a terrible defensive backcourt and three 7 footers, but they do a good job with their switching on and off the ball to mitigate their shortcomings and utilize their strengths. Mobley is freaking everywhere and it's because they are making sure he gets involved in every action so he can defend it.

Another popular thing I'm seeing across the league is random doubling just to disrupt flow and eat some clock. The T-Wolves (another team with less than stellar defensive talent) are really aggressive doubling and not just trapping a PnR....but also when a guy is getting ready to iso or setting up a play. Doubling when they don't expect it can really throw off rhythm and timing.

I'd like to see us get to a level where we can use tricks and smoke and mirrors to be more versatile on defense without the best personnel.
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Isn't preswitching just running a zone? We have always seemed to struggle against a good zone.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Playing next to Draymond Green probably helped him develop his defense and ball movement. He's fitting in nicely.
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Warriors were dying for him to be this type of player, but he couldn't. That's why they benched him and eventually dumped him. I think that was a good wakeup call for him.
 
This was a nice moment. Not quite 'abuse' but I like how Giannis' contact barely moves Paschall.

 
How are we feeling about Paschall 8 games in? He had a hot start shooting from 3, but that's come down to earth. Defense has been up and down from my perspective but some thing he's been amazing.

I love how he's been crashing the boards on offense. That's pretty much his only way of getting involved but he's doing a good job. I still think his role is kind of funky for him, but I continue to be impressed with his skillset. If we're going to roll with Forrest when Mitchell/Conley out I think we should tap into EP as more of a scorer.
 
He has some holes in his game, but Paschall brings a combination of size, energy and athleticism we've sorely lacked in the past. Picking him up for basically nothing was a terrific move.
 
I’m loving the pickup. Besides the defense and rebounding, he’s been a great facilitator, which is quite important for our offense.
 
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