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I guess the grass is always greener when your IQ is below 40
explain to me how trading Crowder, Allen and Clarke for Mike Conley is a steal then we can talk about IQs.

Bucks won the NBA championship. Phoenix is one seed in the west after competing in the NBA finals. Memphis just won 10 straight, took the third seed from us and showed no sign of slowing down. We are a team on a 4game losing streak on its way into one of the league's toughest schedule.

What if, yeah, just what if, the grass is actually greener on those teams?
 
Don't forget how betrayed and lied to Korver felt after the trade. I know he's 105 years old but it is not a good look to dump on a class act.
 
Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder, Brandon Clarke, and late first rounder are not equal to Mike COnley. It was a ****ing steal you damn moron.
There is a cap space element that helped Memphis... not that we would have been able to utilize it like they did. someone broke it down but they were also able to essentially acquire Bane and Melton with the space they opened up. Bane was acquired draft night by taking on Enes Kanter's deal.

We wouldn't have been able to do that per se... but we would have had additional functional cap space that DL would have used to sign so many backup centers. Have to factor some of that into the deal.

I'd say its the rare deal that worked for both teams. Covid effed it up quite a bit... then last year the combo of both guards getting injured really hurt us. All in all it was a fair deal. May not be what I would have done and I would have liked to pay about 25% less but sometimes there isn't a better deal coming.
 
I want to be done complaining about the Conley deal, but I don't think I'll get there until these two things happen:

- this year's draft pick is selected meaning we are FINALLY done paying for him
- Conley helps us get over a hump we couldn't without him
 
There is a cap space element that helped Memphis... not that we would have been able to utilize it like they did. someone broke it down but they were also able to essentially acquire Bane and Melton with the space they opened up. Bane was acquired draft night by taking on Enes Kanter's deal.

We wouldn't have been able to do that per se... but we would have had additional functional cap space that DL would have used to sign so many backup centers. Have to factor some of that into the deal.

I'd say its the rare deal that worked for both teams. Covid effed it up quite a bit... then last year the combo of both guards getting injured really hurt us. All in all it was a fair deal. May not be what I would have done and I would have liked to pay about 25% less but sometimes there isn't a better deal coming.
Yeah, I didnt mean steal as in it ****ed Memphis. Obviously Memphis did well in the trade for their needs.
 
explain to me how trading Crowder, Allen and Clarke for Mike Conley is a steal then we can talk about IQs.

Bucks won the NBA championship. Phoenix is one seed in the west after competing in the NBA finals. Memphis just won 10 straight, took the third seed from us and showed no sign of slowing down. We are a team on a 4game losing streak on its way into one of the league's toughest schedule.

What if, yeah, just what if, the grass is actually greener on those teams?
Yeah, this response is proof of brain rot.
 
Yeah, I didnt mean steal as in it ****ed Memphis. Obviously Memphis did well in the trade for their needs.
They negotiated a great deal... like I said got 25% more than I would have liked (would have loved to sub Exum in for Jae, or make them eat the Exum deal, or retain a 1st).

To argue that Mike has been worse than Jae is dumb. Brandon Clarke is fun but he's an 8th man with a funky fit. We ended up getting what we were looking for and saw the impact on offense.

The issue on the Mike deal was that we pivoted from ****** shooters who play defense and fully swung the other way. It helped us take the next step but we really should have moved on from Favs or Ricky earlier and seen what that looked like.

We shot our shot and it was a solid shot. If we hadn't effed up the other stuff around it on the margins we'd be sitting pretty... say we didn't sign Favs or we drafted Bane or didn't do the Ed Davis deal... We missed so badly on those deals and need the assets or space we wasted cleaning that **** up. We are still in a good position but I don't see us as equal to GS and Phoenix and they have another deal or two they can do (though it gets hard for GS).

That is the frustrating thing about the DL era... he got some of the biggest most important things right but then screwed up so bad on the fringes (not all the fringe moves but a good amount). We needed one more "win" to follow up the Conley deal and whiffed... a lot.
 
There is a cap space element that helped Memphis... not that we would have been able to utilize it like they did. someone broke it down but they were also able to essentially acquire Bane and Melton with the space they opened up. Bane was acquired draft night by taking on Enes Kanter's deal.

We wouldn't have been able to do that per se... but we would have had additional functional cap space that DL would have used to sign so many backup centers. Have to factor some of that into the deal.

I'd say its the rare deal that worked for both teams. Covid effed it up quite a bit... then last year the combo of both guards getting injured really hurt us. All in all it was a fair deal. May not be what I would have done and I would have liked to pay about 25% less but sometimes there isn't a better deal coming.
it was a steal for Memphis. It saved them from the misery of having to overpay Mike Conley for over 30mil a year, giving Morant all the necessary minutes to develop his game, acquiring multiple rotation players and draft picks in the process. they wouldn't have gotten any better offer for Conley.
 
The other thing with Conley is... if we suck the rest of the year or suck in the playoffs... I think they can move him for something else and I expect they strongly consider it. We get the play he proved over the last 3 years plus we likely get something when/if we move him.
 
it was a steal for Memphis. It saved them from the misery of having to overpay Mike Conley for over 30mil a year, giving Morant all the necessary minutes to develop his game, acquiring multiple rotation players and draft picks in the process. they wouldn't have gotten any better offer for Conley.
They also got really lucky... Keeping Mike could have easily pushed them down in the lotto... but they got lucky and landed Ja. They very well could have overplayed their hand and would be in a much different spot. They also could have had Mike get hurt and become untradeable. Sometimes luck factors in much more than we are willing to admit. Hell if Bogey stays healthy going into the bubble or the Mike 3 drops we might have been able to slide into the conference finals.

It was a solid deal... it made sense for both teams... I'd have loved to keep one less pick in the deal but with the way we have effed up picks the last little while I am not sure it matters.
 
They negotiated a great deal... like I said got 25% more than I would have liked (would have loved to sub Exum in for Jae, or make them eat the Exum deal, or retain a 1st).

To argue that Mike has been worse than Jae is dumb. Brandon Clarke is fun but he's an 8th man with a funky fit. We ended up getting what we were looking for and saw the impact on offense.

The issue on the Mike deal was that we pivoted from ****** shooters who play defense and fully swung the other way. It helped us take the next step but we really should have moved on from Favs or Ricky earlier and seen what that looked like.

We shot our shot and it was a solid shot. If we hadn't effed up the other stuff around it on the margins we'd be sitting pretty... say we didn't sign Favs or we drafted Bane or didn't do the Ed Davis deal... We missed so badly on those deals and need the assets or space we wasted cleaning that **** up. We are still in a good position but I don't see us as equal to GS and Phoenix and they have another deal or two they can do (though it gets hard for GS).

That is the frustrating thing about the DL era... he got some of the biggest most important things right but then screwed up so bad on the fringes (not all the fringe moves but a good amount). We needed one more "win" to follow up the Conley deal and whiffed... a lot.
it's not an issue with our 8th or 9th man who won't see more than 15min a game. Like swapping Ed Davis for some other backup centers ain't gonna help us take the next step. it's an issue with our starting unit/main rotation which needs a major shake up. Shifting from one extreme to the other is dumb no matter how you look at it.

To win it all you need to be well rounded and have the flexibilities to adopt to all kinds of strategies and game plans. Coach Budenholzer even ****ing said it after finally winning his first chip with the Bucks. He said they won it because they were finally able to get more flexibilities on his roster.
 
They negotiated a great deal... like I said got 25% more than I would have liked (would have loved to sub Exum in for Jae, or make them eat the Exum deal, or retain a 1st).

To argue that Mike has been worse than Jae is dumb. Brandon Clarke is fun but he's an 8th man with a funky fit. We ended up getting what we were looking for and saw the impact on offense.

The issue on the Mike deal was that we pivoted from ****** shooters who play defense and fully swung the other way. It helped us take the next step but we really should have moved on from Favs or Ricky earlier and seen what that looked like.

We shot our shot and it was a solid shot. If we hadn't effed up the other stuff around it on the margins we'd be sitting pretty... say we didn't sign Favs or we drafted Bane or didn't do the Ed Davis deal... We missed so badly on those deals and need the assets or space we wasted cleaning that **** up. We are still in a good position but I don't see us as equal to GS and Phoenix and they have another deal or two they can do (though it gets hard for GS).

That is the frustrating thing about the DL era... he got some of the biggest most important things right but then screwed up so bad on the fringes (not all the fringe moves but a good amount). We needed one more "win" to follow up the Conley deal and whiffed... a lot.
In my mind I remember a much better deal for us at the trade deadline the year before. Not all of the reports were probably accurate, but it would have been nice to have Mike Conley sooner.
 
The other thing with Conley is... if we suck the rest of the year or suck in the playoffs... I think they can move him for something else and I expect they strongly consider it. We get the play he proved over the last 3 years plus we likely get something when/if we move him.
people talk about packaging Jingles, Clarkson or even Royce in a deal. But Conley and Bogey are the ones that will more likely get us some actual good players. But yeah, we can also trade Mitchell and build around Conley like what Cy is suggesting.
 
people talk about packaging Jingles, Clarkson or even Royce in a deal. But Conley and Bogey are the ones that will more likely get us some actual good players. But yeah, we can also trade Mitchell and build around Conley like what Cy is suggesting.
Conley/Gobert best PNR combo in the NBA and I never suggested building around Conley. I say build around Gobert and improve defense and get a #1 option who isn't 6'1.
 
In my mind I remember a much better deal for us at the trade deadline the year before. Not all of the reports were probably accurate, but it would have been nice to have Mike Conley sooner.
I think it was a similar deal... may have had Exum instead of Jae. But you are right... the price should have gone down at that point... we missed a playoffs where we could have had Mike.
 
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