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Atlanta Rudy Trade

Does anyone here really think Atlanta even considers this?

I think they do, or at least something similar. They probably would want to include Capela instead of Okongwu. I think Capela+Collins gets you the salary matching, and from there you have a battle on the future facing assets. If the Hawks can move Capela somewhere else, I also think Collins+Huerter/Bogdan is on the table.

Gobert would likely turn ATL into one of the best teams in the league. Their defense could go from bottom 5 to top 5, and they'd be the favorites to have the best offense in the league. I do think the Jazz will struggle to get full value for Rudy because of his perception around the league, but he is one hell of a player and the Jazz should get a hefty return for him. I know the Kings are in their own world, but the Pacers got Haliburton and Hield for Sabonis. That's arguably a better package than Capela+Collins, and the difference between Gobert and Sabonis is massive. ATL should have to shell out some serious assets in addition to that Capela+Collins combo, and it will be worth it for them because of the way Rudy will transform their team.
 
I don't think Atlanta would send Collins, Huerter and picks.

Bridges would be absolutely perfect. Hell, I would take back Hayward's terrible contract if they were sending Bridges too. I think he's untouchable though.

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I'd be a little weary of Bridges. He had a great year and didn't do anything that appears to be too unsustainable, but it's scary to have a guy who's only been this good for one year on the contract he will receive. He also plays a ton of minutes, which is a good thing, but it also makes his numbers look very good compared to John Collins, for example, who plays a lot less minutes. I actually think those two are similar level players, but the perception is much higher for Bridges right now.
 
I think they do, or at least something similar. They probably would want to include Capela instead of Okongwu. I think Capela+Collins gets you the salary matching, and from there you have a battle on the future facing assets. If the Hawks can move Capela somewhere else, I also think Collins+Huerter/Bogdan is on the table.

Gobert would likely turn ATL into one of the best teams in the league. Their defense could go from bottom 5 to top 5, and they'd be the favorites to have the best offense in the league. I do think the Jazz will struggle to get full value for Rudy because of his perception around the league, but he is one hell of a player and the Jazz should get a hefty return for him. I know the Kings are in their own world, but the Pacers got Haliburton and Hield for Sabonis. That's arguably a better package than Capela+Collins, and the difference between Gobert and Sabonis is massive. ATL should have to shell out some serious assets in addition to that Capela+Collins combo, and it will be worth it for them because of the way Rudy will transform their team.
Good post.

For some reason, I really don't want Capella. He fits what we run, but a lot of us don't want to run the same stuff. If we are taking back an offensively limited player like that, I would rather take the 21 year old Okongwu who is on a cheaper deal.

The salaries match for Collins, Okongwu and Jalen Johnson for Rudy.

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Good post.

For some reason, I really don't want Capella. He fits what we run, but a lot of us don't want to run the same stuff. If we are taking back an offensively limited player like that, I would rather take the 21 year old Okongwu who is on a cheaper deal.

The salaries match for Collins, Okongwu and Jalen Johnson for Rudy.

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Capela is a logical addition to the trade because ATL would have no use for him after getting Rudy. I understand your opinion though, Capela looked toast this year. He is not the same player that switched out onto Mitchell and clamped him in the playoffs several years ago. Physically, he looked Favors-esque all year. If Capela is included, I think the Jazz hold firm that he is a negative contract and ask more more in the ways of future compensation. Okongwu really showed some flashes though and I wouldn't mind us taking him in lieu of another FRP pick or something along those lines.

I've circled ATL as a trade candidate just because of their variety of assets and different ways to get a deal done. They have all their picks, additional picks, young players at different stages of their careers, and also vets. Whatever the Jazz desire, they're likely to find it on ATL's roster and ATL could not get a player for their roster than Rudy Gobert. This is the type of the move that elevates them to a contender.
 
Having a big, athletic wing who can drive the ball down the lane and either finish or kick out to shooters is incredibly valuable. I'm optimistic about Jalen Johnson being able to play that role. He's like a middle-class version of Ben Simmons, or a faster, more athletic version of Kyle Anderson, imo. He came into the league as a raw 19 year-old after a messed up covid season at Duke.


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Capela is a logical addition to the trade because ATL would have no use for him after getting Rudy. I understand your opinion though, Capela looked toast this year. He is not the same player that switched out onto Mitchell and clamped him in the playoffs several years ago. Physically, he looked Favors-esque all year. If Capela is included, I think the Jazz hold firm that he is a negative contract and ask more more in the ways of future compensation. Okongwu really showed some flashes though and I wouldn't mind us taking him in lieu of another FRP pick or something along those lines.

I've circled ATL as a trade candidate just because of their variety of assets and different ways to get a deal done. They have all their picks, additional picks, young players at different stages of their careers, and also vets. Whatever the Jazz desire, they're likely to find it on ATL's roster and ATL could not get a player for their roster than Rudy Gobert. This is the type of the move that elevates them to a contender.
I think we should let Atlanta worry about what to do with Capella. If they desperately have to include him in the Rudy deal, I would insist they flip him to Charlotte and we get back Washington and Plumlee.

But yes, Atlanta is a perfect fit for a Rudy deal. They have the need and the assets to get the job done.

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I think we should let Atlanta worry about what to do with Capella. If they desperately have to include him in the Rudy deal, I would insist they flip him to Charlotte and we get back Washington and Plumlee.

But yes, Atlanta is a perfect fit for a Rudy deal. They have the need and the assets to get the job done.

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And they would insist you go fly a kite.
 
I would be surprised if Atlanta thinks a Rudy deal is what gets them over the hump when he hasn’t been able to clear that hump with us. They might be willing to give it a shot if the cost is Capela/Collins (who was on the block previously) I really don’t think they go much beyond that…

I think the teams that haven’t gotten into the real playoff are the best bet to overpay… or give fair value. Memphis, Dallas, and GS might do something because their center situations aren’t great… although Dallas just smoked us so they may not be as interested and have intimate knowledge now of how he can be planned around. They might do it because they have a little urgency to get a second star around Luka.
 
I would be surprised if Atlanta thinks a Rudy deal is what gets them over the hump when he hasn’t been able to clear that hump with us. They might be willing to give it a shot if the cost is Capela/Collins (who was on the block previously) I really don’t think they go much beyond that…

I think the teams that haven’t gotten into the real playoff are the best bet to overpay… or give fair value. Memphis, Dallas, and GS might do something because their center situations aren’t great… although Dallas just smoked us so they may not be as interested and have intimate knowledge now of how he can be planned around. They might do it because they have a little urgency to get a second star around Luka.

I think ATL checks a lot of those boxes to some extent. They were a play in team this year. Their C position is not great. They need a second star to pair with Trae Young. They did reach the conference finals two years ago, but I don't think they're sitting around thinking that's a given and that they don't need Rudy to get there. Even if they do believe they are that same caliber of team, Rudy would greatly improve the defensive side of the ball which was their biggest weakness.

It was said that Capela and Young were the only untouchables on the ATL roster at deadline. Of course, you could take that both ways. Maybe that means the Hawks really like Capela and think he's close to Gobert. Or you could say that means they would really love Gobert who is better than Capela at everything. From the outside, I can't think of a team who should have more motivation than ATL to Gobert. It does not mean Schlenk thinks the same way though.
 
Atlanta fan here. Not interested. Remove Okongwu and we have a deal. Otherwise, that's an awful deal for us and far too rich for Utah

I can see the value of JC, two 1sts, and while I don't believe JJ has much value. Money wise, this doesn't work. I would gladly do a Kevin and JC deal without any picks.

Okongwu is a non starter for us. Any deal with him is an instant no unless we are trading for a legit gamechanger superstar with a reasonable contract. Neither of which is Rudy. Okongwu, Hunter, and Trae are simply off the table. We need them too much for the rest of the east. Otherwise, we can't do a deal.

Maybe another team can give you a better offer. Try Charlotte. They have two 1sts.
 
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I’ll admit that I’m intrigued to see Rudy on Atlanta. Rudy’s offensive game is one dimensional, but he excels in that dimension. Running with a partner that excels in passing a lob could easily elevate his game to be 20+ ppg player while maintaining his ridiculous efficiency. Don is an average facilitator (being nice here), but lob passes seem to be where he struggles the most.
 
If we trade Gobert it better be followed by a trade of Mitchell, all I’m going to say.
Me personally, I'll keep Mitchell. Too hard to find #1 options even in today's NBA. I'll just create a five out 5 that can switch everything. I would be trying to get JC and Myles Turner. That's a perfect pairing for JC. Issue is, Turner doesn't fit Trae.

The biggest issue I have with Utah is the Conley. If he plays like he did last year, you got a stud but if he plays like he did this year, you have a dud. Conley is the engine.
 
Atlanta fan here. Not interested. Remove Okongwu and we have a deal. Otherwise, that's an awful deal for us and far too rich for Utah

I can see the value of JC, two 1sts, and while I don't believe JJ has much value. Money wise, this doesn't work. I would gladly do a Kevin and JC deal without any picks.

Okongwu is a non starter for us. Any deal with him is an instant no unless we are trading for a legit gamechanger superstar with a reasonable contract. Neither of which is Rudy. Okongwu, Hunter, and Trae are simply off the table. We need them too much for the rest of the east. Otherwise, we can't do a deal.

Maybe another team can give you a better offer. Try Charlotte. They have two 1sts.

I think this is where the conversation would land. I understand why ATL would be hesitant to trade Okongwu. But the rest of the trade does make sense from a negotiation standpoint if you swap in Capela for Okungwu.

The base is Capela+Collins for Gobert. Then ATL would have to sprinkle in some future assets. JJ and two firsts....I could see there being hard negotiations from both sides at the point. But we're in the ballpark of what would be realistic IMO. There would need to be some salary matching and maybe some moving parts with JC, Huerter, Bojan, Bogdan etc.

FWIW, Hollinger had this trade pegged at Capela+Collins+JJ+#16 for Gobert+Gay with a possible additional swap of Bogdanovic for Bogdanovic.
 
I don’t see a world where we trade Rudy and keep Don. Just don’t see how they’d be successful unless they could move Mike’s contract and use that money on a backcourt partner with size.
 
I think this is where the conversation would land. I understand why ATL would be hesitant to trade Okongwu. But the rest of the trade does make sense from a negotiation standpoint if you swap in Capela for Okungwu.

The base is Capela+Collins for Gobert. Then ATL would have to sprinkle in some future assets. JJ and two firsts....I could see there being hard negotiations from both sides at the point. But we're in the ballpark of what would be realistic IMO. There would need to be some salary matching and maybe some moving parts with JC, Huerter, Bojan, Bogdan etc.

FWIW, Hollinger had this trade pegged at Capela+Collins+JJ+#16 for Gobert+Gay with a possible additional swap of Bogdanovic for Bogdanovic.
The issue could be that is too rich for Atlanta FO but me personally, I like the framework. I do think the value is fair to me. Two 1sts is too extreme for me. Even JJ is too much as well.

But Capela+JC for Gobert is fair.
 
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The Hoop Collective podcast absolutely **** on Donovan Bitchell.

Basically said if Utah keeps Donovan and trades Rudy, they expect Utah to be a bottom 10 team.

Everyone agreed Rudy is the better player. Said that if Rudy gets traded he could be the final piece to a championship team. Said Utah needs to completely blow it up if they deal Gobert.
 
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