framer
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They would be better off with Bojan and Mike and maybe Gay too.Close. Not sure what they trade for Kyrie in this scenario, and Kyrie is still their #1 target.
They would be better off with Bojan and Mike and maybe Gay too.Close. Not sure what they trade for Kyrie in this scenario, and Kyrie is still their #1 target.
Players (in their prime) I like more than Ayton available in the 20's or later in the last 10 years:
Draymond Green
Khris Middleton
Rudy (****ing) Gobert in a terrible draft
Nikola Jokic
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
The 24th pick of the 2017 draft packaged with a bum to get Donovan Mitchell
Jordan Poole
Lu Dort
Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane
There are actually more players than that that I like more than Ayton. The point is not some conclusive objective analysis blah blah blah. Just that there are real players there and 2023 is supposed to be a great draft. You think rebuilds suck, I enjoy them and I think it's inevitable. I don't think Ayton in anyway aids a rebuild and I would dislike his presence in such an endeavor because he will either be good and prevent the team from bottoming out or will suck and be an underwater contract and bringing his big whatever vibes to the locker room. I think it is virtually impossible to buy-low if the contract is large enough (it seems pretty locked he's gonna make more than $100 million on his next deal), the transactional price is high enough (I don't think it's as low as people are discussing), and/or the opportunity cost is high enough ($100 million in owed salaries for a team that should be operating at or below the cap is $100 million less in space you can use to take bad contracts and picks, which I would guess nets you in the realm of 5 firsts and 10 seconds).
TLDR; we see this situation very differently.
I'd be down for this. Mostly because it would hamstring the Suns for a long, long time. They would be selling their soul to the devil. I would hope DA plays a littler harder and tries to get Gay contract off the books, or include Udoka instead of a first.The most realistic trade that I think could happen today is this:
Jazz out: Bogdanovic, 2023 Minnesota 1st, 2023 Philadelphia 1st
Jazz in: Ayton
Suns out: Ayton, Bridges, Johnson, Crowder, 23/25/27/29 1sts, 24/26/28 pick swaps
Suns in: Kevin Durant
Nets out: Kevin Durant
Nets in: Bridges,Johnson, Crowder, Bogdanovic, 23/25/27/29 Phoenix 1sts, 2023 Minnesota 1st, 2023 Philadelphia 1st and 24/26/28 Phoenix pick swaps
Brooklyn gets 6 1sts for Durant plus Bridges/Johnson and expiring contracts.
We get Ayton for Bogey and 2 late firsts.
Phoenix gets Durant for their package and we help by pushing it over the top by adding 2 firsts to the deal.
I'd be down for this. Mostly because it would hamstring the Suns for a long, long time. They would be selling their soul to the devil. I would hope DA plays a littler harder and tries to get Gay contract off the books, or include Udoka instead of a first.
This is the problem. We got a lot of picks but where they are coming from means they won't be really valuable until the last 1 or 2. Maybe not even then. We made the wolves significantly better. Late 20's for their picks. Philly will be good for years to come. There is more value in trading these picks rather than using them.Minnesota’s 2023 1st and Philadelphia’s 2023 1st
Both very likely to be in the 20’s.
This is the problem. We got a lot of picks but where they are coming from means they won't be really valuable until the last 1 or 2. Maybe not even then. We made the wolves significantly better. Late 20's for their picks. Philly will be good for years to come. There is more value in trading these picks rather than using them.
Looks like about 1'ish per year.Players (in their prime) I like more than Ayton available in the 20's or later in the last 10 years:
Draymond Green
Khris Middleton
Rudy (****ing) Gobert in a terrible draft
Nikola Jokic
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Malcolm Brogdon
The 24th pick of the 2017 draft packaged with a bum to get Donovan Mitchell
Jordan Poole
Lu Dort
Tyrese Maxey
Desmond Bane
There are actually more players than that that I like more than Ayton. The point is not some conclusive objective analysis blah blah blah. Just that there are real players there and 2023 is supposed to be a great draft. You think rebuilds suck, I enjoy them and I think it's inevitable. I don't think Ayton in anyway aids a rebuild and I would dislike his presence in such an endeavor because he will either be good and prevent the team from bottoming out or will suck and be an underwater contract and bringing his big whatever vibes to the locker room. I think it is virtually impossible to buy-low if the contract is large enough (it seems pretty locked he's gonna make more than $100 million on his next deal), the transactional price is high enough (I don't think it's as low as people are discussing), and/or the opportunity cost is high enough ($100 million in owed salaries for a team that should be operating at or below the cap is $100 million less in space you can use to take bad contracts and picks, which I would guess nets you in the realm of 5 firsts and 10 seconds).
TLDR; we see this situation very differently.
I don't wish to use Bojan as a throw in. He is an easy first round pick at the deadline at the very least. Clarkson too, possibly more.
Interesting. I would really miss Bogey. He has been one of my favorite players the last couple years. Having said that, he isn't a true cornerstone and is 33.Bojan's contract is reportedly locked in to a trade deal already. Bucks made a call on Bojan and were told he's already committed to a trade. Maybe it's Ayton. Maybe it's John Collins. Maybe something else.
Bojan's contract is reportedly locked in to a trade deal already. Bucks made a call on Bojan and were told he's already committed to a trade. Maybe it's Ayton. Maybe it's John Collins. Maybe something else.
Interesting. I would really miss Bogey. He has been one of my favorite players the last couple years. Having said that, he isn't a true cornerstone and is 33.
Where did you see this?
Bucks reporter on Twitter. Don't ask me to go find it. It was from last week. Just assume for now that he's not coming back.
I found it. He has 1,000 followers and doesn’t show any credentials.
Yep. That's true.So, still a lot cheaper than Gobert. And obviously younger with a much more polished offensive game.
Sam Presti is at the pool at the Grand America right now. Is he teaching us how to tank? If someone needs a pic, can do. Happy 4th yall.
Then again, the summer league features OKC so he is probably just here for that.
I did it without looking it up. I might do it for swaps on 28 and an unprotected 29 pick. Prior to moving Rudy I would have said no to To it’s because it makes it really hard to duck the tax… I think he could pick up some of his value again in a pick and roll heavy team and then you repackage him for another pick.I’m pretty sure only pick they could trade is their 2029 pick if they got rid of the protections on the 2025/2027 1sts they sent out.