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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Tony's opinion on this trade idea kind of shocks me. Brown only has 2 years left on his contract and then he would almost certainly leave. This seems like a terrible idea for the Jazz and I would've expected Tony to quickly shoot it down.


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Trading Don for JB, even with him leaving, is what I would have done. I would have kept Rudy and gone championship or bust on the next two years. I’ll eventually get around to posting about it, but I have serious doubts about the odds of the outcome of the Gobert trade being anywhere near a reasonable return when we end up looking at it in hindsight.
 
Tony's opinion on this trade idea kind of shocks me. Brown only has 2 years left on his contract and then he would almost certainly leave. This seems like a terrible idea for the Jazz and I would've expected Tony to quickly shoot it down.


View: https://twitter.com/Dunzod/status/1552349381575094272


View: https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1552360425223852033




View: https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1552420326092447745

The good... Tony interacts on Twitter and has some fun.

The bad... he sometimes says dumb stuff like this without really thinking the whole thing through.
 
Trading Don for JB, even with him leaving, is what I would have done. I would have kept Rudy and gone championship or bust on the next two years. I’ll eventually get around to posting about it, but I have serious doubts about the odds of the outcome of the Gobert trade being anywhere near a reasonable return when we end up looking at it in hindsight.

For the Timberwolves right?
 
For the Timberwolves right?
I’ll make a post. Not today, and not tomorrow, but at some point. I think it’s actually a really good move for Minnesota and this move will put them on the map. When they look back at what they gave up, there’s a high likelihood it will be a hindsight no-brainer.
 
I’ll make a post. Not today, and not tomorrow, but at some point. I think it’s actually a really good move for Minnesota and this move will put them on the map. When they look back at what they gave up, there’s a high likelihood it will be a hindsight no-brainer.

I think you’re dead wrong. This was one of the most massive overpays in NBA history. I think there is a 99.9% chance we look back at this like we do with the Celtics/Nets trade and go what in the **** was Minnesota thinking? You just don’t trade unprotected picks like this that far out in the future. The next draft pick they can trade is 2031 which is 2 years away from being available. They have no way of becoming better as they traded their entire depth for Gobert as well. I think they’re a 5-6 seed next year and are an injury away from being a play-in team.

This was the perfect time to trade him and rebuild. The Clippers are getting Kawhi back and the Nuggets are getting Murray back. A really good team or two is going to just flat out miss the playoffs. This is not the right time to go all-in if you’re Minnesota and I just don’t think Gobert is the player you do that for considering the package they gave up.
 
Trading Don for JB, even with him leaving, is what I would have done. I would have kept Rudy and gone championship or bust on the next two years. I’ll eventually get around to posting about it, but I have serious doubts about the odds of the outcome of the Gobert trade being anywhere near a reasonable return when we end up looking at it in hindsight.
Amen 100 times over. Can't figure out why we didn't trade the guy who clearly wanted out and get some assets to make at least a 1 or 2 year run with the all star who wanted to be here. And I have been trashed for saying the odds aren't great for getting much back on the Rudy trade but statistically speaking it is true. Hope this works out but going the OKC route when we could have made a run around Rudy will not be fun IMO.
 
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Trading Don for JB, even with him leaving, is what I would have done. I would have kept Rudy and gone championship or bust on the next two years. I’ll eventually get around to posting about it, but I have serious doubts about the odds of the outcome of the Gobert trade being anywhere near a reasonable return when we end up looking at it in hindsight.

Yeah, if we'd have kept Rudy and wanted to go all in for the next two years it would have made some sense, but now that Rudy's gone it makes no sense whatsoever.
 
The good... Tony interacts on Twitter and has some fun.

The bad... he sometimes says dumb stuff like this without really thinking the whole thing through.
I dont think it's that crazy.

Jaylen Brown could still improve a good amount.

The reality is that at 6'1 Don just doesnt have the kind of upside that JB does. If you could get him to commit long-term (which I know wouldnt happen) I would feel good about being able to use the Gobert trade pieces to form a contender.
 
Trade Donovan for 60 million Mega Millions tickets.
It's nearly at that level where buying every possible ticket is worth it.

The founder of raising cane's bought 50k tickets, one for every employee, and he said he'll share the jackpot with every employee.
 
I’ll make a post. Not today, and not tomorrow, but at some point. I think it’s actually a really good move for Minnesota and this move will put them on the map. When they look back at what they gave up, there’s a high likelihood it will be a hindsight no-brainer.
I don't know about a HIGH likelihood. To your point, until the assets yield real players down the road then it's a TBD. But the rebuttal to your point is that this build probably just ran it's course and maybe some of the difficulties in building a squad around him are legitimate.

But I think there is a higher likelihood that the Jazz start reaping rewards between '25 and '27 (when the Jazz own the Wolves draft, and Rudy will either be done as a high-level player or his contract expires and he leaves). The Wolves also have to build some culture that they just shipped to us and they have the same ownership group that yielded perpetual losers. When it's all said and done, I think the Jazz end up with at least two lottery picks and more picks to come from the flipped players. I also think Walker Kessler is gonna be really ****ing good.
 
https://theathletic.com/3448724/2022/07/26/jaylen-brown-r-j-barrett-nba-salary-cap/

Article from Hollinger kinda says what I have been saying the last little while on the Don trade... why are we saying we don't want players like RJ and Herro? You can lock them up for 4-5 years beyond this one and it will be a great deal. Will be even more true is you get them to take a slightly declining deal or flat and decline later. Neither guy is currently worth the max... but both guys could be values in 2-3 years when we are trying to be good... and would have more value than adding additional picks.

The alternative of opening up like 80M in space... when everyone has space... will mean it has lower utility in trades and in signing guys. This is a version of the Hayward extension decision... if the cap is 50% higher in 3 years then players you sign now to long deals will end up being values.

Its also another reason to pursue a sign and trade with Sexton... there are a couple other extension eligible guys out there like PJ Washington that you could lock up now... but I think there is a slight market inefficiency here that we aren't planning for correctly by insisting on only draft picks and guys on longer rookie deals.

I hear you but then getting a top 3-5 pick would be very unlikely IMO.
 
I dont think it's that crazy.

Jaylen Brown could still improve a good amount.

The reality is that at 6'1 Don just doesnt have the kind of upside that JB does. If you could get him to commit long-term (which I know wouldnt happen) I would feel good about being able to use the Gobert trade pieces to form a contender.
Nah… it’s crazy. 2 year runway with a guy who has zero attachment to the market… an exploding cap means many good destinations will have cap space. Too short of a runway… not only that Brown might improve but if he is a number 1 option it could get real ugly.
 
I hear you but then getting a top 3-5 pick would be very unlikely IMO.
I think getting a top 3-5 pick that comes from another team is unlikely already. If the Knicks don’t have a reason to tank they will likely finish with a better record than like 7-8 teams just by virtue of not tanking. With flat odds it could hit but the best picks we get are likely from our own stash.
 
Nah… it’s crazy. 2 year runway with a guy who has zero attachment to the market… an exploding cap means many good destinations will have cap space. Too short of a runway… not only that Brown might improve but if he is a number 1 option it could get real ugly.
Like I said, if he would commit long term
 
I think getting a top 3-5 pick that comes from another team is unlikely already. If the Knicks don’t have a reason to tank they will likely finish with a better record than like 7-8 teams just by virtue of not tanking. With flat odds it could hit but the best picks we get are likely from our own stash.

I agree. My point was by getting RJ (or Herro), we immediately become a much better team and strongly decrease the odds of getting a top 3-5 pick.
 
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