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The Biden Administration and All Things Politics
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Mongoose
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Democrats about to be labeled domestic terrorists and have the fbi investigating them.
View: https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1750520261231747566
If you call for a ceasefire you are putins puppets. Where have I heard that before?
View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/01/29/nancy-pelosi-israel-palestinian-gaza-protestors-sotu-sot-vpx.cnn
Shameless warmongering genocidal maniacs in this administration. Iran is on deck.
View: https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1750520261231747566
If you call for a ceasefire you are putins puppets. Where have I heard that before?
View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/01/29/nancy-pelosi-israel-palestinian-gaza-protestors-sotu-sot-vpx.cnn
Shameless warmongering genocidal maniacs in this administration. Iran is on deck.
The Thriller
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The “weaponized” Biden DOJ is again investigating… *checks notes* Democrats for crimes. Weird. What a strange dictator we have. Shouldn’t he have imprisoned Trump yet?
View: https://x.com/jakesherman/status/1752088554186957266?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw
View: https://x.com/jakesherman/status/1752088554186957266?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw
This is a great explanation for why people support Trump:
"Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.
Some psychologists believe our values tend to cluster around certain poles, described as “intrinsic” and “extrinsic”. People with a strong set of intrinsic values are inclined towards empathy, intimacy and self-acceptance. They tend to be open to challenge and change, interested in universal rights and equality, and protective of other people and the living world.
People at the extrinsic end of the spectrum are more attracted to prestige, status, image, fame, power and wealth. They are strongly motivated by the prospect of individual reward and praise. They are more likely to objectify and exploit other people, to behave rudely and aggressively and to dismiss social and environmental impacts. They have little interest in cooperation or community. People with a strong set of extrinsic values are more likely to suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger and compulsive behaviour.
Trump exemplifies extrinsic values. From the tower bearing his name in gold letters to his gross overstatements of his wealth; from his endless ranting about “winners” and “losers” to his reported habit of cheating at golf; from his extreme objectification of women, including his own daughter, to his obsession with the size of his hands; from his rejection of public service, human rights and environmental protection to his extreme dissatisfaction and fury, undiminished even when he was president of the United States, Trump, perhaps more than any other public figure in recent history, is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values..."
"Many explanations are proposed for the continued rise of Donald Trump, and the steadfastness of his support, even as the outrages and criminal charges pile up. Some of these explanations are powerful. But there is one I have seen mentioned nowhere, which could, I believe, be the most important: Trump is king of the extrinsics.
Some psychologists believe our values tend to cluster around certain poles, described as “intrinsic” and “extrinsic”. People with a strong set of intrinsic values are inclined towards empathy, intimacy and self-acceptance. They tend to be open to challenge and change, interested in universal rights and equality, and protective of other people and the living world.
People at the extrinsic end of the spectrum are more attracted to prestige, status, image, fame, power and wealth. They are strongly motivated by the prospect of individual reward and praise. They are more likely to objectify and exploit other people, to behave rudely and aggressively and to dismiss social and environmental impacts. They have little interest in cooperation or community. People with a strong set of extrinsic values are more likely to suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger and compulsive behaviour.
Trump exemplifies extrinsic values. From the tower bearing his name in gold letters to his gross overstatements of his wealth; from his endless ranting about “winners” and “losers” to his reported habit of cheating at golf; from his extreme objectification of women, including his own daughter, to his obsession with the size of his hands; from his rejection of public service, human rights and environmental protection to his extreme dissatisfaction and fury, undiminished even when he was president of the United States, Trump, perhaps more than any other public figure in recent history, is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values..."
The Thriller
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The economy is doing so well that Trump wants to take credit for it.
The Thriller
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If you care about “securing the border” and not merely using it as a wedge issue to get Dump elected, you outta be furious with republicans. Democrats have offered a very good border deal in exchange for funding for Israel and Ukraine.
newrepublic.com
GOP Senator Reveals the Sick Truth About the Trump-MAGA Border Scam
It’s not just that a deal might help Biden. It’s that a compromise bill now could prevent Trump and Stephen Miller from doing a much harsher bill later.
newrepublic.com
Al-O-Meter
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Really? Can you point me to a link where I can read the text of this deal?
The fact of the border is that Biden already has a larger budget than Trump had, and already has all the same powers to shut the border down that Trump had. Trump did a better job shutting down the border than did any administration in decades. The entire premise of needing more funding and needing more authority is false. The Democrats are trying to permanently enshrine illegal immigration by having Congress pass a bill that specifically limits what authorities can do if the flow of immigrants is below a threshold of 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 depending on the rumor. The Biden administration went to court to get the right to cut razor wire put up by Texas. The claims of wanting to secure the border if only the Republicans would allow it is Bizarro World BS meant for stupid people who believe anything they read on the internet.
There isn't a bipartisan deal sitting on Mike Johnson's desk. There isn't a deal, bipartisan or otherwise, sitting in the Senate. Even the motives you have wrong. You are spewing garbage.
Red
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Well, the Senate has indeed been working on a bipartisan deal, McConnell continues to favor it, he clearly wants aid to Ukraine, as do other Republican senators:
“Underscoring just how damaging Trump’s comments and campaign to kill the border deal have been in the Senate, one GOP senator on condition of background told CNN that without Trump, this deal would have had overwhelming support within the conference.
“This proposal would have had almost unanimous Republican support if it weren’t for Donald Trump,” the Republican senator said”.
So, although the Senate has not yet passed a bipartisan border deal(anybody else remember when politics was defined as “the art of compromise”?), Speaker Johnson, who is 100% Trump’s puppet, has said any Senate bill will be dead on arrival. Because Trump does not want to help with the border crisis at all. Trump is interested in Trump. Trump has zero, ZERO affection for the United States and its democratic institutions.
Who hates our nation more than Donald Trump? Putin? Maybe, but I can’t say for certain.
“Underscoring just how damaging Trump’s comments and campaign to kill the border deal have been in the Senate, one GOP senator on condition of background told CNN that without Trump, this deal would have had overwhelming support within the conference.
“This proposal would have had almost unanimous Republican support if it weren’t for Donald Trump,” the Republican senator said”.
So, although the Senate has not yet passed a bipartisan border deal(anybody else remember when politics was defined as “the art of compromise”?), Speaker Johnson, who is 100% Trump’s puppet, has said any Senate bill will be dead on arrival. Because Trump does not want to help with the border crisis at all. Trump is interested in Trump. Trump has zero, ZERO affection for the United States and its democratic institutions.
Who hates our nation more than Donald Trump? Putin? Maybe, but I can’t say for certain.
Red
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It’s all on Trump and his Republican House boot lickers. I don’t know if Donald Trump will ever pull anything that would cause his rabid base to say “oh, we’ll wait a sec, that’s a bit much!”, but I hope future histories of our era correctly identify the man as the #1 domestic enemy in the US in the early 21st century, a true traitor, (who stood with immoral monster Putin in Helsinki, and agreed with him where attacks on our elections were concerned, shaming his fellow citizens by speaking out against his own country on foreign soil, something no president must ever do!); truly evil as well, who did his utmost to divide his countrymen, poison the body politic, pit American against fellow American. Ratchet up HATRED and ANGER among his followers, and, tried to steal an election to boot.. A true “divider in chief”. For someone like Putin, Trump really was the next best thing to a Manchurian candidate to some extent.
Trump, as long as he lives, will always be willing to sell his country down the drain. Always. Without a second thought, other than, of course, “what’s in this for me?”. And thats the first thought, not a second thought.
Supporters of Donald Trump should understand he hates the country you love. I regret likely not seeing that enshrined as universal consensus in my lifetime.
abcnews.go.com
Trump, as long as he lives, will always be willing to sell his country down the drain. Always. Without a second thought, other than, of course, “what’s in this for me?”. And thats the first thought, not a second thought.
Supporters of Donald Trump should understand he hates the country you love. I regret likely not seeing that enshrined as universal consensus in my lifetime.
Senate nears bipartisan border deal that Trump calls 'disaster'
Fresh criticism Monday from former President Donald Trump and other GOP leaders is threatening to derail the border deal as negotiations near the end.
abcnews.go.com
Al-O-Meter
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Yes, which is why the narrative is for stupid people. The Democrats have the majority and could pass a bill even with no Republican support, but as you yourself noted they have some Republican support. In this battle, Senate Republicans are irrelevant. That there is no bill in the Senate has nothing to do with Republicans.
That is a lie and a misleading half truth. Speaker Johnson is not a Trump puppet as evidenced by Trump wanting a 'no' vote on the budget deal and Speaker Johnson crossing the aisle to get the budget deal passed. Your puppet allegation is a demonstrably untrue. The half truth is that you cut Speaker Mike Johnson's statement off mid-sentence to omit what he was actually saying. Speaker Mike Johnson's statement was that any Senate bill will be dead on arrival IF IT CONTAINS THE 3,000 - 5,000 LIMITATION TO PREVENT BORDER PATROL FROM CLOSING THE BORDER AS RUMORED.
Not only does Speaker Mike Johnson want a border deal, but the House actually passed it already. It is HR-2, and it passed the House. On this issue, the House is the only one to have done their job. Unlike The Thriller, I can actually send you a link to the text of the bill that passed the House. Voicing blame on House or Senate Republicans for this impasse is a dead give away for being uninformed.
Bucknutz
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If you care about these migrants, you Thriller, should be furious with the democrats. I mean only 40,000 migrants (8 days of the proposed “deal”) are starting to be kicked out on the street by the Democrats in Denver. 8 days of migrants need $100 million more in funding, this year, to help the democrats with their “unexpected influx” of migrants.If you care about “securing the border” and not merely using it as a wedge issue to get Dump elected, you outta be furious with republicans. Democrats have offered a very good border deal in exchange for funding for Israel and Ukraine.
GOP Senator Reveals the Sick Truth About the Trump-MAGA Border Scam
It’s not just that a deal might help Biden. It’s that a compromise bill now could prevent Trump and Stephen Miller from doing a much harsher bill later.
Maybe the LDS church should put up the money because they aren’t doing enough. Or maybe you Thriller, who has been boasting about how much better off you are since Biden has been in office; you could donate your extra wealth that you made over the last 3 years and fund 50 people for 1 year in Denver. I mean you are for sanctuary cities and not caps on incoming migrants.
A city of 710,000 struggles to cope with 40,000 migrant arrivals
Starting Feb. 5, Denver will start limiting the number of days migrants can stay in shelters and sending those who exceed their stay out onto the streets.
www.nbcnews.com
It’s only 8 days of migrants. Be compassionate Thriller.
The Thriller
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Oh now you want to communicate? You never responded to our last debate. Yet you attack me again here? So why would I waste time writing a thoughtful response to your latest angry word vomit?If you care about these migrants, you Thriller, should be furious with the democrats. I mean only 40,000 migrants (8 days of the proposed “deal”) are starting to be kicked out on the street by the Democrats in Denver. 8 days of migrants need $100 million more in funding, this year, to help the democrats with their “unexpected influx” of migrants.
Maybe the LDS church should put up the money because they aren’t doing enough. Or maybe you Thriller, who has been boasting about how much better off you are since Biden has been in office; you could donate your extra wealth that you made over the last 3 years and fund 50 people for 1 year in Denver. I mean you are for sanctuary cities and not caps on incoming migrants.
A city of 710,000 struggles to cope with 40,000 migrant arrivals
Starting Feb. 5, Denver will start limiting the number of days migrants can stay in shelters and sending those who exceed their stay out onto the streets.
It’s only 8 days of migrants. Be compassionate Thriller.
This last post seems to be yet another large collection of angry grievances from a variety of threads. So again, why would I waste much time with you? Where to even begin with this last post? Seems like you’re just wanting to bitch. Seek counseling dude. I’m sure your parent’s insurance or Medicaid can pay for it.
You’ve made it clear that you’re not interested in honest dialogue. Otherwise, you would’ve responded to my last reply to you. Instead, you brought up a whole new set of personal attacks and grievances. So I’m done with you. You’ve made it clear that every few weeks you want to just have a measuring contest. waste someone else’s time you partisan hack. There are other posters here who don’t mind wasting time with mindless trolls, like you.
It’s funny how I seem to attract the ire of so many drooling MAGA zombies on here. My guess is it’s because I cut to the heart of their insecurity, bad faith, and blind partisanship. I’m fine engaging with different views. I’m done wasting my time with stupid trolls. **** off
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Bucknutz
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Oh I’ll respond, when I get more than 30 mins of free time. (Owning a growing business, with 2 active kids in clubs sports, take up most of my time). I have already written a couple of parts of your long response, but don’t worry it will come.
This is the same debate; resources are not unlimited. This just shows how wrong you are with a sample of only 40k migrants in one city.
You can’t defend only democrats throwing migrants on the street, causing more homelessness. So you just use insults. Partisan I am not. If you actually read any of my posts you would know I’m for immigration at what is needed, I’m for pausing immigration, I’m for type of UBI, I’m for a more German style healthcare, I’m not for overturning Roe, I’m for death penalties and physician assisted death, I’m for more political parties, I’m a big fan of the electoral college, I hate traditional colleges and wish more degrees were earned in a trade school route, I’m for a government online college market place where teachers compete for students and can be paid for by states/federal government.
So if I’m partisan, what tribe do I fit in? Because I don’t feel like I’m accepted by either party.
The Thriller
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Nope! You’re done! I already warned you about arguing in bad faith. I made it clear that your next response would tell me whether this conversation was going to continue and you failed.
https://jazzfanz.com/threads/the-biden-administration-and-all-things-politics.139831/post-2393896
No need for you to respond, save your time, enjoy your business and your family. I’ll never read any further responses from you.
**** off. Troll someone else. We are done. Seriously, **** off.
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I think you’re ill informed here.
Biden delivered a bill in 2021.
Fact Sheet: President Biden Sends Immigration Bill to Congress as Part of His Commitment to Modernize our Immigration System | The White House
The U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 establishes a new system to responsibly manage and secure our border, keep our families and communities safe, and better manage migration across the Hemisphere President Biden is sending a bill to Congress on day one to restore humanity and American values to our...
The new Senate bill is bi-partisan. Republicans have been on Fox News saying as much.
Lankford cites 'election year' for waning GOP support on border bill: 'Not about letting 5000 people in a day' | Fox News
Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., on Sunday explained why he is moving forward on border bill negotiations despite Republican concern of handing President Biden an election year win.
www.foxnews.com
As Lankford says in the above Fox segment, the House GOP have once again moved the goalposts. Demanding that Ukraine/Israel funding be tied to border legislation. Senate does that, and the House balks at Trumps request.
Read more.
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The Thriller
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MAGA ill informed? What a shockI think you’re ill informed here.
Biden delivered a bill in 2021.
Fact Sheet: President Biden Sends Immigration Bill to Congress as Part of His Commitment to Modernize our Immigration System | The White House
The U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 establishes a new system to responsibly manage and secure our border, keep our families and communities safe, and better manage migration across the Hemisphere President Biden is sending a bill to Congress on day one to restore humanity and American values to our...www.whitehouse.gov
The new Senate bill is bi-partisan. Republicans have been on Fox News saying as much.
Lankford cites 'election year' for waning GOP support on border bill: 'Not about letting 5000 people in a day' | Fox News
Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., on Sunday explained why he is moving forward on border bill negotiations despite Republican concern of handing President Biden an election year win.
As Lankford says in the above Fox segment, the House GOP have once again moved the goalposts. Demanding that Ukraine/Israel funding be tied to border legislation. Senate does that, and the House balks at Trumps request.
Read more.
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Sardines
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It's a feature, not a bug.
Al-O-Meter
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Nope. I'm totally informed. There is no Senate bill. Anyone can say the bill is bipartisan or not about allowing 5,000 migrants a day through or that it was written by unicorns because the bill is imaginary. There is no Senate bill and you can't link to it because it doesn't exist.
Red
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That may be in the instance in the case of the budget, but not for one second do I believe Johnson is not a puppet for the most evil, anti-American president in our history. Believe whatever you want. Here is what Trump did, and does.
1) Trump understood, as any astute demagogue would, the grievances and anger animating a significant % of the electorate. This has always been part of the genius of an effective demagogue. They have an almost instinctive understanding of what to say to become the leader of disaffected groups in society and the body politic.
2) Trump understood that he could speak to that portion of the electorate in a manner that would cause those people to see him as their spokesman, as their voice. Obviously, that is key, even to the point of creating a cult-like devotion among some followers. Donal Trump became the voice of the disaffected.
3) With that base in hand, Trump made sure to cement his place as a victim. The victim that stood in the way of the government coming for his followers next. Once cemented as victim, any criticism at all is seen as an attack by Trump’s enemies, and not folks trying to tell the truth of the matter to the American people. I think we’ve all seen such a dynamic in action. It too is a form of genius, minor and obvious maybe, but it sure is effective. Makes it hard to break through the brainwashing that is at the heart of “I am the victim, and you are next”. Any Republican that criticisms Trump is on shaky ground. As long as they know that, they must go along with Trump.
4) Once that base is in hand, once victimhood is understood to be a leading role for their leader, the GOP, knowing they keep loosing the popular vote as it is, have no choice but to not anger Trump. The GOP realizes they simply cannot lose a % of that base. Trump’s ploy has resulted in him being able to say a Republican will be banished from MAGA if he or she dares to oppose Donald Trump. This leaves the GOP stuck between a rock and a hard place.
5) Trump owns the GOP at the moment. At this stage, we already know he will claim “election stolen” if he loses in 2024. How long must we put up with this total BS?
When are we going to emerge into the light of reality, into a world where the consensus reality is missing the alternative nonsense of Trump and MAGA? When?!
Are we really going to move forward with two competing interpretations of recent history? How freaking stupid are we? How does that even work?
Not once have I seen one iota of concern from you regarding this clash of competing realities. Despite it being one of the greatest possible inflection points in our modern history! Crickets from people like you! Whereas, I have said from the start that a president sowing deliberate lies about our election integrety is one of the worst “crimes” a president could ever commit to our nation and body politic. And, but for a few, your GOP has no choice but to support his lies and support his damage.
Donald Trump did that, while you look for every reason you can find to diminish his influence. Sorry, but you are so very full of it, frankly, to ignore all these things.
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Al-O-Meter
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So there is evidence in the form of the budget, and you admit the evidence is real, but you are going to ignore that evidence to hold on to your idea the evidence falsifies. Then you change the subject to someone who is not House Speaker Mike Johnson.
The House has passed a bill to address securing the border, and Trump liking it or not liking it is irrelevant because the House has already passed it. The bill is HR-2, but it isn't going anywhere because the Democrats are refusing to touch it. Meanwhile the Democrats cannot craft their own bill in the Senate and are blaming Trump for their inability to craft a bill. This may shock you but the Democrat Senators do not take their marching orders from Trump. You believe the Trump excuse because you want it to be true that Trump is to blame for all the things even when it makes absolutely no sense that Trump would be the reason Democrat Senators cannot put a bill together.