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Offseason Plan + Lauri Thread

Bawse Dawg

Bawse Dawg

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All purpose thread to talk about the offseason.

The Lauri timeline discussion feels like it will be much more earnest this offseason. While I don't look forward to it, going all out for next years draft where we have three picks, and could easily get a bottom five record, is a move that makes lots of sense. Lauri, would be the biggest hinderance to that plan. Both because it is rude to make him keep suffering on this team, and, obviously, he just makes us better. I think lining up Lauri's timeline with whatever the spoils of these awful years ends up being is becoming more and more unlikely, and this might just be a band-aid that needs to be ripped off.

There is also the obvious argument to keep the very good basketball player on the team that is devoid of such luxuries. Maybe you can wrangle a top pick anyway, look how much time he missed this year already. Understood, but going into the each of the last two years fence sitting on the tanking is what ultimately cost us those worst records. If we are going to be serious about a tank this time, we should really go all in. Lauri's trade value is also worth considering.

I think I'm leaning towards getting hopefully a nice productive basketball player in the top 10. Taking two more swings later in the draft. And just chucking out the whole day care facility onto the court next season. Get some mid *** veterans for the attitude and mindset **** I guess, but they can't be very good. Even as I type it out I kind of hate the plan, and the losing culture **** isn't nothing to me.

So please change my mind and show me the plan where we keep Lauri and try to be good and it is at least somewhat realistic and exciting.

Just vomit all your offseason thoughts into this thread.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Maybe you can wrangle a top pick anyway, look how much time he missed this year already.
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He played 42/52 games before the deadline. He would've missed 2-3 games with the quad knock he got from Bam. The rest was tanking. And you can't just tank-sit him the whole season.

Bawse Dawg said:
If we are going to be serious about a tank this time, we should really go all in. Lauri's trade value is also worth considering.
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He can't sign an extension until August which of course has a massive effect on his trade value whether he's got one year left on his deal or five. He could of course guarantee the buyer that he'll extend with them - or he might not. The value of a one-year rental is much, much lower to any buyer.
 
I think the Jazz have positioned themselves to tank next year. Ace Bailey, Cooper Flagg, VJ Edgecombe and a couple others are probably worth tanking for. Jazz are going to acquire an array of young players that they can develop or use in a blockbuster trade if one ever becomes available. I think the Jazz will draft two more young players and likely use their extra pick in a peripheral trade.

Both the Jazz and the rest of the league need to see what's going to happen with the Donovan before they can project the value of the Cavs' picks. That might keep the Jazz in a wait-and-see mode through next deadline.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think the Jazz have positioned themselves to tank next year. Ace Bailey, Cooper Flagg, VJ Edgecombe and a couple others are probably worth tanking for. Jazz are going to acquire an array of young players that they can develop or use in a blockbuster trade if one ever becomes available. I think the Jazz will draft two more young players and likely use their extra pick in a peripheral trade.
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Do you make moves to better ensure a top pick? Or just go with the team we have and 'hope' to suck enough?

I don't even necessarily despise the idea of just keeping everyone and hoping we still get a top pick. But that is once again not doing anything or really committing to a plan at all. And getting pick #9 next year and entering next offseason with still no semblance of a 'plan' sounds awful.
 
Silly question - but our pick is equally protected 1-10 in 2025, right? I.e., the pick not conveying this year doesn't trigger a guarantee for the pick to convey next year?

Obviously a massive consideration WRT the 2025 tank brigade.
 
bigmike said:
Silly question - but our pick is equally protected 1-10 in 2025, right? I.e., the pick not conveying this year doesn't trigger a guarantee for the pick to convey next year?

Obviously a massive consideration WRT the 2025 tank brigade.
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That is true. Then top-8 protected in 2026. Then it disintegrates.
 
bigmike said:
Silly question - but our pick is equally protected 1-10 in 2025, right? I.e., the pick not conveying this year doesn't trigger a guarantee for the pick to convey next year?

Obviously a massive consideration WRT the 2025 tank brigade.
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Here is what I found. Man was that Favors trade appalling

The draft pick is 1-10 protected in its first year (2024), protected 1-10 in 2025, and 1-8 in 2026.
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So same protections next year. Then you would hope we are not still bottom 8 bad, but that is far from a guarantee. If the Thunder don't get it in 26' they just never get it.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Do you make moves to better ensure a top pick? Or just go with the team we have and 'hope' to suck enough?

I don't even necessarily despise the idea of just keeping everyone and hoping we still get a top pick. But that is once again not doing anything or really committing to a plan at all. And getting pick #9 next year and entering next offseason with still no semblance of a 'plan' sounds awful.
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The vets remaining at this point will be Lauri, Sexton and Collins. The combination of playing Collins at the 5 and playing Collin and Keyonte in the backcourt gives the Jazz the worst defense in the league. That's the tank strategy the Jazz went with this year.

We're not going to have Samanic and THT, but we can give heavy minutes to our 2nd-year players, plus another rookie or two. If the Jazz strip down their bench, they can lose games even if the starters are decent. Maybe they let Dunn move on for this reason. We won't be in the bottom 3, but I bet we could get in the bottom 5 or 6 if we're committed.

Kenny Lofton plowing over 2nd units could be a problem though.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The vets remaining at this point will be Lauri, Sexton and Collins. The combination of playing Collins at the 5 and playing Collin and Keyonte in the backcourt gives the Jazz the worst defense in the league. That's the tank strategy the Jazz went with this year.

We're not going to have Samanic and THT, but we can give heavy minutes to our 2nd-year players, plus another rookie or two. If the Jazz strip down their bench, they can lose games even if the starters are decent. Maybe they let Dunn move on for this reason. We won't be in the bottom 3, but I bet we could get in the bottom 5 or 6 if we're committed.

Kenny Lofton plowing over 2nd units could be a problem though.
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Man... I don't think there is any good option.

Bottom 5 or 6 feels like we would perfectly miss out on all tier one players in next years class. I think that is my worst case scenario. This would still feel like fence sitting instead of actually committing to a plan.

Two years removed from two really savvy trades, some pretty good draft picks. And we are worse than ever, and I don't know if a single young player is a long term piece (I'm not doing any Core 4 **** for mid *** players again). I know people would say the picks haven't even stated to come through yet, but a bunch of non lotto draft picks? We are just hoping to hit an all time jackpot of a draft pick? That is the 'plan'?

I hope the Coyotes have a good season next year...
 
The way the Jazz tanked back in 2013/14 was to tear down their bench. The so-called "Core 4" plus Trey Burke actually held their own pretty well, but there wasn't enough bench depth for the Jazz to score above the low 90s. Young guys were given 30 mins/night and the other 18 mins pretty much ensured a loss.
 
I think there will be some serious tire kicking on a Lauri trade. If someone ponies up the bounty I think the Jazz will take the offer and tank the next couple years. The price will be high though. At this point we get a bonus pick in 2025 or 2026 by retaining our pick if we tank... so that cherry gets added to the top of whatever sundae we trade him for.

If not I think it becomes a really boring offseason that frustrates everyone. Maybe only one of Clarkson, Collins, Sexton is moved... and maybe none. We make our picks (well two of them and either trade up or do the LA Bronny trade with the second rounder). We "try" and trade for a star or sign someone but end up punting our cap space on retaining Dunn and Lauri while maintaining "flexibility" into the offseason.

Organically we will be like the 6th or 7th worst team because of how competitive the west is and because we will have 4-5 young players in the rotation all year. Kenny Lofton wins most improved player.
 
homeytennis said:
If I'm Lauri do I even want to be here following this plan? This tank plan is depressing.
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That's what the money is for. Once he signs I wouldn't blame him for asking out (should we tank next season). Get his money first though. Only way he asks out is if he gets word another team with space would renegotiate and extend his deal. Houston and OKC could both do it.
 
bigmike said:
Silly question - but our pick is equally protected 1-10 in 2025, right? I.e., the pick not conveying this year doesn't trigger a guarantee for the pick to convey next year?

Obviously a massive consideration WRT the 2025 tank brigade.
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The responses you got were true, but incomplete. Yes the pick is Top 10 protected in 2024 and 2025 as well as top 8 protected in 2026. However if it doesn't convey by then, it turns into our 2028 2nd round draft pick.

"Traded • 2027 second round pick (least favorable of Heat, Pacers, Rockets, Thunder picks) (?-?) • cash to Jazz for • Derrick Favors • draft pick (first round pick transferable 2 years after Jazz send first round pick to Grizzlies from earlier trade; protected top 10 in 2024-25, top 8 in 2026, else 2028 second round pick) (?-?) on 2021-07-30"
per https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Jazz.htm
 
Thanks all.

I can make a good argument for sucking next year. Two more years of top 8 finishes would be tough to stomach.

Still wish our pick had conveyed this year, but I digress.
 
  • Free Agents I'm interested in as of today:
    • Naji Marshall. Versatile wing on both sides of the ball
    • Jalen Smith. Crazy year as a backup. You wont see too many guys with a 3.2 OBPM who play less than 20 MPG. If any under the radar player was ready to breakout with a bigger role, it's probably him.
    • Luke Kennard. Elite shooter and nice connector who just needs to stay healthy.
    • Kyle Anderson. Maybe too old for the Jazz, but would be a great addition to help facilitate a winning season.
    • Goga Bitadze. Had a really good year with Orlando as a backup early on when WCJ missed time. Their defense didnt miss a beat when he played. More potential than Yurtseven. Would be an obvious signing if it's just the minimum or just over the minimum.
    • KJ Martin. Showed potential with Houston. Stats when he played with Philly were OK.
    • DeAnthony Melton. Would be an overall upgrade over Dunn as you can play him with more lineups with his outside shooting.
    • Grayson Allen: Never mind he just signed an extension today.
    • Malik Monk: Would be near the top of my list if you trade Clarkson. Great player who could easily "breakout" again if he has a bump in responsibilities.
 
I'd also look into using the 2025 Wolves pick to move up in the draft from 29/32 to have two lottery picks.
 
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