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KqWIN said:
I unironically think Brice would be a better player if he was selfish. I think he gets himself into trouble when he’s trying to make decisions and especially the decision to pass/score off the dribble. He’s like 21 so we can give him some more time to figure it out, but the best version of Brice might be the one that only shoots/attacks closeouts to score. He has scoring chops beyond shooting.
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Yeah I would have him with an ultra green light on threes... test the upper limits on what he can get up. Then when they are overplaying it the other stuff might really blossom.

Especially early in the season with this new high five rule. These high volume guys might be drawing one of those fouls per night while the refs are on high alert. Or defenders may adjust and not contest as hard.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah I would have him with an ultra green light on threes... test the upper limits on what he can get up. Then when they are overplaying it the other stuff might really blossom.

Especially early in the season with this new high five rule. These high volume guys might be drawing one of those fouls per night while the refs are on high alert. Or defenders may adjust and not contest as hard.
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What is new high five rule please?
 

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Not belaboring the point here. Just showing kind of what I am seeing with Brice. Some of these aren't threes he was forcing up last year and he's making a fair amount. I think he and the coach (based on the comments) get it and know how they want to use his tool.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:

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Not belaboring the point here. Just showing kind of what I am seeing with Brice. Some of these aren't threes he was forcing up last year and he's making a fair amount. I think he and the coach (based on the comments) get it and know how they want to use his tool.
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I haven’t allowed myself to consider the following at all until right now, but… what if he’s one of THE dudes and we don’t actually have to tank cuz maybe we already have two…?

(To be clear, I am still team tank, but if Brice and Ace are seriously cooking I could back away from the cliff if the Jazz are .500+ to start the season. I am sure I’m getting ahead of myself but often times such developments do seem to occur rather suddenly.)
 
NUMBERICA said:
I haven’t allowed myself to consider the following at all until right now, but… what if he’s one of THE dudes and we don’t actually have to tank cuz maybe we already have two…?

(To be clear, I am still team tank, but if Brice and Ace are seriously cooking I could back away from the cliff if the Jazz are .500+ to start the season. I am sure I’m getting ahead of myself but often times such developments do seem to occur rather suddenly.)
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Until Brice demonstrates improved defense, then we can't expect an overall impact much greater than peak Malik Beasley.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
Until Brice demonstrates improved defense, then we can't expect an overall impact much greater than peak Malik Beasley.
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I mean, Malik Beasley without the, umm, “legal” issues and built like a tank and knows how to get to the line is pretty great even without the defense.

To be clear, I want the defense. I am probably historically the biggest Brice hater along those lines, but…
 
NUMBERICA said:
I mean, Malik Beasley without the, umm, “legal” issues and built like a tank and knows how to get to the line is pretty great even without the defense.

To be clear, I want the defense. I am probably historically the biggest Brice hater along those lines, but…
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I've always thought we nailed the Brice pick. And I've been patient and hopeful for the year-3 jump that appears to be upon us. But the defense has been much worse than I anticipated.

I really hope he figures something out, because it's otherwise looking like he could be an incredible weapon.
 
It's an interesting theoretical question. At what point is a player's offense so good that you figure out how to work around their defensive limitations.

We've seen this summer that the value of extremely high level offensive guards, that are limited defensively, have very limited value right now. Then you have previous and current MVP candidates with similar defensive issues. It feels like the offensive bar to hit is extremely high...

Thoughts?
 
SoberasHotRod said:
It's an interesting theoretical question. At what point is a player's offense so good that you figure out how to work around their defensive limitations.

We've seen this summer that the value of extremely high level offensive guards, that are limited defensively, have very limited value right now. Then you have previous and current MVP candidates with similar defensive issues. It feels like the offensive bar to hit is extremely high...

Thoughts?
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Depends on how limited. I think the issue with the guards traded this summer is a lot want to be ball in hand and are good shooters (though Simons is excellent). If the guy can go offball like Brice and that is actually where he is most valuable... I see no reason they can't be a starter level player.

His defense is improving imo. I think you can live with him getting to below average.
 
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