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And when I said P&R, by default I was including the alley oop play as well (really two different things). These are two areas that require an intuitive sense (a simpatico connection), an area that Jazz oriented, only Stock and Ingles really excelled in before Collier. This level of connection...

Well he’s next level terrible in man to man from what I’ve seen! He’s also yet to show me that he can run a PnR like Collier can.

You’re on point when it comes to Ace! Still pissed me off though, driving the odds down before I’ve made my wager!:mad:

Pretty black and white wouldn’t you say?

Do you remember what Karl’s ft% was his first season? As I said before, see who has the better shooting % by season’s end. I guess it’s sexy for some but I’m not a huge fan of a PG that casts one up from the logo early in the shot clock!

Did you even watch the game last night? McNealey looked at least twice as good as your boy Jimmer and we could have had him and kept our three seconds.

Not super quick? Really? Not super strong either I suppose? FTR he shot a better % than WCJ last night - see who has the better shooting % at season’s end. But as I’ve said before, only one of these guys is a two way player. It’s all academic anyway as your Jimmer Fredette pipe dream is starting...

Sure, that’s what everyone said about Jimmer Fredette as well. The absolute truest player comp out there!

If anyone isn’t a real PG it’s WCJ. What makes Collier so good and the reason that he was the top HS recruit in the country was his athleticism and his ability to see the court and to make his teammates better. Beyond lacking the athleticism, looking primarily for his own, with zero ability or...

I blame AA. Between Collier and Harkless, the point guard position was an absolute non-issue. What kind of exec becomes so enamored with a Senior six foot nothing point guard that he trades up three spots giving up three second round picks when he all he had to do was stand pat and collect a...

Just one word and the word is a number - 446. That’s the number of assists that Isaiah Collier had last year in surpassing John Stockton for the Club Rookie Assist Record.

WTF!!! Collier is 6 for 9, 5 boards, 8 assists, 2 steals while Clayton is 8 for 17, 5 boards, 3 assists (zero steals or blocks). But the real story is Clayton’s D compared to Collier’s. Edited to emphasize the lack of defense.

I know you guys are all in love with WCJ but every time I turn around his man is scoring on an uncontested shot. Not saying that he’s not skilled offensively but my God, Dillingham got called a midget in another thread and he’s a good inch taller than this guy. The height doesn’t really bother...

Okay, took a stab and qualified it with “might be” after googling the Juzang name (Chinese or Vietnamese). Well they do share a border. So three Asian countries represented then, that’s pretty impressive!

Seems you might be forgetting somebody:

Bad things happen to those that rebuke the Book of Isaiah!:p

Absolutely love that guy, all heart and yet all Dog on the court! Just became a Charlotte fan!

Edgecombe is also very impressive and could slot right in.

We’ll see about that. I imagine that Will and Ace and possibly Keyonte will have something to say about that. Collier was the top High School recruit in the Country, WCJ was just the tournament sweetheart in his Senior year. Yep and I’m a pretty good judge of talent and ability! Truth is, I...

I’m with you pal! To me this is all crazy talk concerning WCJ taking Collier’s starting Job at point. Can’t believe some folks were even watching the same game. Honestly, I was thinking that both Springer and Harkless fared better than Walt Lake City. Kid’s got absolutely zero explosion (haven’t...