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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    So, this whole thing, in simplest terms, comes down to which side of it is lying, doesn't it? I mean, on the one hand we have literally all Democrats, a lineup consisting mostly of decorated career diplomats, and some fairly moderate Republicans. On the other hand we see established compulsive...
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    "American" Principles

    You're a thousand miles wide and at least as many miles deep, babe, so forgive me if this response is a little shy of your intent/thought process! :) I'm going to say democracy, if that can be considered a principle. And within that democracy-- as long as we're making wishes-- no...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    Was it a bunch of lies? Really? I mean, justice is blind, and I understand how a lack of bonafide evidence resulted in Zimmerman walking free. But can you honestly look at that case and say to yourself, "Yes, porcupinetree, he was an innocent man, and a 13 year-old boy's death was the result of...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    I don't know if they will or won't, but that's not the point, man. There's enough smoke this should be investigated to see if there was criminal/impeachable activity. If there wasn't, then good: The whole country is better off NOT impeaching our own president, whether he's an incorrigible...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    No worries. We'd probably all get a lot further in these threads if we'd cut out the personal attacks. It might not be as entertaining, though. :) I get you, but I have to admit I find the way Trump has carried himself during his presidency-- the constant lying, the aggressive antagonism...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    "Damn dude. Duh." Really? Is there a reason you're being condescending? I'm respectful toward you, aren't I? Have some class and basic civility. All we have are hypotheticals. You don't have proof of anything either-- we're all common citizens with no access to anything but what the news spins...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    Considering what he has to lose, why would he do that?
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    That's not true, if we're talking about the same witness. Schiff allowed Republicans several opportunities to stop trying to get the witness to reveal the identity of the whistleblower, and when they persisted he cut them off. This after the witness had opened his testimony explicitly stating he...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    I'll pick out the parts, in order, that give the appearance of quid pro quo that are causing concern: Trump: [T]he United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very...
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    Is your first instinct gun owner or parent?

    Yeah-- you're being obtuse with this thread, man. What is it you think the article does not address, exactly? It's like you're implying there were important facts or details left out that would change how we all regard the story, and you want us to speculate wildly about what those might be. Do...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    If the person being investigated is a public official, and the subject of the investigation is related to actions taken in the fulfillment of that person's official duties, then yes-- absolutely. How not?
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    Oh, that's totally on me-- I thought Trump's people generated and released the transcript. Thanks for pointing that out. My bad. I'm still not sure how a discrepancy in the number of times the name "Biden" was said is particularly relevant, though. If you think it really is, why not apply the...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    You can't really pin the credulity of the whistleblower's report on details not matching the transcript: The transcript is an unofficial, rough transcript released by the White House of the man potentially having articles of impeachment brought against him-- a man with a well-established track...
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    The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

    I saw this posted elsewhere (I didn't post it), and was curious what you all think about it: Here's just a few laws he may have broken: - U.S. Code § 872 which states: "Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States...representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under...
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    Which one of you idiots is this?

    Judging by the time/location stamp under the image, I'm guessing carolinajazz...? Tell me it doesn't fit the M.O.
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    Trump abandons Kurdish allies to Turkish invasion

    Hey, thanks for this post, framer. I have to admit, my knee-jerk reaction to Trump pulling out of Syria was to take at face value the idea that we are simply abandoning our allies, and to be upset by it. Truth be told, I was basing that 100% on my distaste for Trump-- I know close to nothing...
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    Hillary Clinton advocates shredding the constitution

    I think it's rad how you managed to avoid all of my questions, yet unintentionally answer them super-clearly at the same time-- the last two in particular. Thanks.
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    Hillary Clinton advocates shredding the constitution

    Hold up, man-- I get that you operate on a black-and-white level, but dig a little into the full context of her tweet. Ask yourself a few questions: - Do you believe, had he not resigned, that Nixon would have been impeached as a result of the charges brought against him? Should he have been...
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    Babe's Mentoring Space, Help for The Helpless Liberals in here.

    I'm guessing you don't watch 'The Simpsons' from your rock pile. I'm a shaky etymologist at best, but I'm pretty sure that's where it came from.
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    Babe's Mentoring Space, Help for The Helpless Liberals in here.

    In regards to the dictionary, you can take it at face value: I copied and pasted the definition for the word 'pretentious'. I just happen to think that particular definition describes the title and initial post in this thread pretty well, no ulterior motives implied. I have no idea why you are...
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