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he'll be here tomorrow

i've argued this enough and i get it if people are done with Key, but i don't think there is any question you give him at least one more season to see if he can bump that efficiency up to average to above average levels. in my opinion, he's too talented to give up on this soon. still so...

he pops in on occasion. always good to see some of the [really] old timers on here.

i voted 11-15 because gun to my head i think 15, but i think it's more in the range of 14-16. i think anything lower than 14 would be disappointing, and i'd be pretty thrilled with 17+.

espn is dumb. it's not an unimportant distinction.

that's what we're wanting to hear.

one would hope and today we've seen clips of people shutting the rumors down, etc, but get him here. i know he has until monday, but if we're all good and he's that excited to be here, what's the hold up.

i like the luis signing, but i was never a fan of the 43/33/74 shooting splits for a junior star. but is tough and rebounds his position.

yikes. that's actually a little disturbing. at least they are legit professionals, but still. the lesson: omar sucks

and the defenses he was playing against. incredible. 46% from three on 8 attempts a game against that level of defense. sheesh. what a stretch.

first think i hear him say "kj can do everything clayton can do". lol. i mean, guess he can throw the ball at the hoop just like clayton. okay, so it doesn't go in nearly as often, but technically he is capable of the action.

rebound numbers not great either.

nah. he doesn't have key's shot creation skills, playmaking/ball skills or passing ability. he's a better shooter. if Key had juzang's pure shooting with his other offensive skills, he'd be killer on offense.

you're over shooting this one. clayton isn't a traditional pg of course, but he is absolutely a good and willing passer who played mostly point on the national championship team. he averaged 4+ assists and had a 23% assist rate which is pretty good.

okay, i'm kidding, but he just agreed to a deal with the jazz and i've been a fan of his since his days at IMG. was up and down at ole miss, but is strong, a good defender, elite vertical athlete and has a beautiful stroke. of four seasons where he played big minutes, he had two really good...

this. 100% this. i think both are going to be very good.

i won't argue with that - i think it's absolutely a possibility. two things - i think collier's improvement is going to be substantial in year two, and i think clayton while naturally a combo guard, has better point skills than most realize. not trying to make a point by saying that, i just...

that's true. monday is the deadline, but they nearly always (may not even need the "nearly" qualifier here) show up by friday or saturday and that's with a normal thursday draft. hence clayton is here. bottom line, after being drafted on wednesday, he should be here.

so hard for the 53rd player drafted to stick, but Tonje was the bpa at that point. excellent pick. they did about as well as they could have. i thought tonje would go mid-40s.

fair. entirely fair.