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He definitely isn't just "starting" with any one kind of shot right now. lol. He's fully immersed in a long process of improvement on many different kinds of shots. He tried some **** in a SL game.

He should definitely try some **** in SL. I can't jive with a mindset that gets wound up over this kind of thing.

Agreed. But, then again, Key and Brice both play positions that typically take 3 or 4 years before their career trajectories can be more confidently projected. And when they play for a team this isn't obsessed with winning, then the projection gets harder. For me, Key and Brice have the...

The difference between stage 3 and stage 4 is pretty huge, right? "Stage 3" were the most hopeful words—to my ears—in this whole thread. Thinking about you lots, man.

Yup, lots of new intense pressure on the speed of his release and his handle. Being a rookie isn't easy.

Ace Bailey Walker Kessler Kyle Filipowski Walter Clayton Keyonte George Taylor Hendricks Brice Sensabaugh Isaiah Collier Cody Williams

I mean, the lane agility, shuttle run, and sprints suggest he is fast enough. If he needs a screen, then maybe it's his handle? That can obviously be improved in a way that speed and agility cannot. I'm just pushing back on what I perceive to be any bromide against players that don't fit some...

@Ferguson_Mellochill , in particular.

Of the 73 players this year with NBA combine numbers available on NBA.com here is how Clayton ranks: * Ranked #4 on Lane Agility * Ranked #8 on Shuttle Run * Ranked #17 on Three Quarter Sprint * Ranked #20 on Max Vertical Leap

<-- first to say that WCJ would do Brunsony things. Cy got NAOS-pilled.

Clayton is not limited athletically.

It's really easy to find reels that demonstrate Collier's passing ability. He processes the game quickly and can make quick passes off the dribble (including skip passes). And it just so happens that the jazz are in very short supply of players who can do that stuff as well as Collier can...

Based on what evidence? In my experience, the most miserable people on this board (who, for example, post the kind of crud we've been seeing about CW) are the hardest to get rid of.

this season doesn't make sense for a few reasons, imo. Next year or the year after would be fine. He's in a good spot for his development anyway.

Why not hope for the year-3 jump? It happens; so I'm hoping.

hopefully with a $0 buyout clause after one or two years.

Nah, PG_AB was writing about Yang when he was 12 yrs and 7 months old.

more recently, I remember a prime Chris Paul giving Kevin Durant serious problems.