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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    I think it's entirely in the cards the Boston still wins this series and possibly even makes the finals. There's still a lot of talent on that team. The FO has done a very good job constructing a complementary roster around its stars. Though, I think NY making the finals would be a great story...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    What, you mean that tanking isn't the only way to build a competitive team in the NBA and that it may not be prima facie evidence of genius-level strategizing by FO galaxy brains? Don't say this too loudly; it's bound to get you shouted down by the pro-tanking zealots and the tanking industrial...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Agreed. During lower stakes games, the offense flows and the ball is shared more. In crunch time or high stakes games, it always has been and will always be Mitchell time. We have sufficient data points to conclude that it's a load he can't shoulder successfully. That's why I don't think any...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    It's not uncommon for teams to experience a few years of playoff flameouts before they break through, while tinkering around the edges, or otherwise keep a core in place. I guess the question is who's the "core" at Cleveland? I say Mitchell and Mobley definitely. Garland and Allen less so. We'll...
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Not yet. Just wait, a friendly gentlemen's bet that it's a matter of time. (I'm aware that I could be over my skis on this prediction.) That said, you're almost certainly correct. I imagine some changes are in store and those are the most obvious and weighty ones to consider.
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    2025 Playoffs Chat & Chill Thread

    Odds on how long before pundits, podcasters, blog boys, etc. begin the drumbeat for tearing down the Cavaliers and rebuilding (and Denver if they lose to OKC)? Further, what are the odds before a drumbeat begins for trading Jokic and getting what Denver can for him? As if that's the only way...
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    Game Thread NBA Draft Lottery - May 12, 2025

    I'm reading I Claudius, or trying to. I find it a slog to read but I'm determined to finish it. The story moves slowly amidst stream of consciousness ramblings. However, taking frequent breaks to read up on events described therein has proved to be very fruitful to learn about the early Imperial...
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    Game Thread NBA Draft Lottery - May 12, 2025

    I find it fascinating that the rational and sane among us who are skeptical of conspiracy theories feel compelled to offer evidence as to their bogusness. Those peddling conspiracies have the burden of proof. Innuendo and lazy, sloppy post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning do not constitute proof...
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    Game Thread NBA Draft Lottery - May 12, 2025

    I have several reactions to the lottery outcome. There is no conspiracy. Conspiracy theories are the refuge of the weak minded struggling to cope with the inequity and randomness of life. If you find yourself succumbing to conspiracy theories, this is a sure sign that it’s time for some serious...
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    Has our future position gotten better, worse, or stayed the same since trading Rudy/Donovan?

    Interesting how tanking skeptics are suddenly emboldened to come out of the woodwork after a year+ of being brow beaten and marginalized by the vociferous pro-tanking crowd. The Jazz tanking "strategy" has been revealed for what it's always been: Let's give our consumers a shiity product and...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    So, you’re saying that if we lose the lottery, we will then regret not winning more in order to be in the spot that does win?? Seriously, do you not read what you write before posting? Yes, and Yes. (Or is that Yes, and No as in No, I do not not read what I write before posting?) This strikes...
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    Game Thread Mar 12, 2025 06:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Memphis Grizzlies

    A good loss, to the extent losses are good. IF the Jazz could ever cut down on the turnovers, potentially many of these types of losses may be wins in the future. By, man-o-man, watching this team's ineptitude taking care of the ball each and every game is making my eyes bleed. I don't recall...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Now that we're on this path, I don't have a better idea than tanking like hell to maximize our odds of winning the lottery or otherwise securing a future star via the draft. Pick your metaphor: pot committed, in for a penny, in for pound, balls to the walls, full throated, etc. My hope for each...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Who's suggesting running it back as it was currently constituted? We keep getting told there were no options; that was indeed the convention wisdom. How is it you're so absolutely certain/confident this was the case? The conventional wisdom that Mitchell would surely bolt Cleveland for NY or...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Ah, there it is, the personal insult. So very original, yet at the same time, so very tiresome. I'd only add that your insult makes no sense. What does being a gerbil have to do with being inside and outside of someone's butthole? Projection, per chance? If you're going to insult someone, at...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    We're tanking because the Jazz FO decided to blow up a perennial playoff team. We're not talented enough to win precisely because of this decision made precisely to ensure that we wouldn't have the talent to win and thus would not have another option. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't maximize...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    And yet a lot of people seem to be putting a lot of hope on getting Flagg, notwithstanding the extremely low odds of this outcome.
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    And yet ...
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    2024-2025 Tank Race

    Cruel irony would be that we tank aggressively to get the best lottery odds but a team with worse odds ends up winning. We'll be wishing we had tried to win more games if this happens. The odds of not winning the lottery significantly exceed those of winning. I confidently predict that we WILL...
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    Looking ahead to 2025-2026

    To paraphrase, none of the Jazz's six first round draft picks the last two years appear to be a foundational piece, the FO is hinging the success of their strategy on the sheer luck of winning the lottery, and buckle up for one more year of intentional sucking and 2-4 more additional years of...
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