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why are you devoting so much time to reading and replying to him? honest question. I like you, and I want a better life for you. I can tell you who he is.

Dame is a cool cat, man. I wish the jazz could have come to some kind of terms with him, since I know he still appreciates his ties to Ogden.

There's lifting. And then there's LIFTING.

There are more than enough minutes, IMO. If all of them are setting the world on fire, I hope that Hardy experiments with some small ball (Hendricks at the 5) to open up more mins.

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He definitely isn't just "starting" with any one kind of shot right now. lol. He's fully immersed in a long process of improvement on many different kinds of shots. He tried some **** in a SL game.

He should definitely try some **** in SL. I can't jive with a mindset that gets wound up over this kind of thing.

Agreed. But, then again, Key and Brice both play positions that typically take 3 or 4 years before their career trajectories can be more confidently projected. And when they play for a team this isn't obsessed with winning, then the projection gets harder. For me, Key and Brice have the...

The difference between stage 3 and stage 4 is pretty huge, right? "Stage 3" were the most hopeful words—to my ears—in this whole thread. Thinking about you lots, man.

Yup, lots of new intense pressure on the speed of his release and his handle. Being a rookie isn't easy.

Ace Bailey Walker Kessler Kyle Filipowski Walter Clayton Keyonte George Taylor Hendricks Brice Sensabaugh Isaiah Collier Cody Williams

I mean, the lane agility, shuttle run, and sprints suggest he is fast enough. If he needs a screen, then maybe it's his handle? That can obviously be improved in a way that speed and agility cannot. I'm just pushing back on what I perceive to be any bromide against players that don't fit some...

@Ferguson_Mellochill , in particular.

Of the 73 players this year with NBA combine numbers available on NBA.com here is how Clayton ranks: * Ranked #4 on Lane Agility * Ranked #8 on Shuttle Run * Ranked #17 on Three Quarter Sprint * Ranked #20 on Max Vertical Leap

<-- first to say that WCJ would do Brunsony things. Cy got NAOS-pilled.

Clayton is not limited athletically.

It's really easy to find reels that demonstrate Collier's passing ability. He processes the game quickly and can make quick passes off the dribble (including skip passes). And it just so happens that the jazz are in very short supply of players who can do that stuff as well as Collier can...