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to that point, watching Amen the other day, i had the thought that as good as he is and he is damn good, Key, simply due to his ability to score from everywhere on the floor with the ball in his hands + his passing/playmaking he might ultimately be better than Amen if Amen never figures out the...

my gut says he's probably not. he doesn't look big enough, quick enough, skilled enough or athletic enough to make it if he can't shoot say 37%+ from three. his rookie season, on his biggest sample, he shot 38% which is encouraging. if he can get back to that, maybe he'll make it. but...

pretty much exactly what i said, tbh.

i hate to go there, but like in college that simply isn't is role. i mean, the mfer runs to the corner and stands there on every offensive set. he's not going to have high assist numbers, but he can clearly pass the basketball. in fact, it would be very interesting to know the percentage...

is it possible Ace went from a guy everybody said can't pass prior to the draft and his place on the jazz, to okay he can pass a little, to maybe he's adequate, to possibly a plus passer in the NBA?

the little two man game he ran with nurk on that one possession (i think anybody who watched the game will know the possession i'm referring to) looked like he'd been doing it for the last 10 years with nurk.

so key's dunk.

that three by Ace in KD's face is one of the shots of the year. the ability to do that is why you draft him in the top 5.

is that a theory or was that something that was reported?

it was that you said "depend on" him to create shots" really the only guys this team depends on to create shots are key and lauri - the two leaders of the team. everybody else (including Ace) either just picks their spots or relies on other dudes to set them up. and yeah, he wasn't drafted...

seems normal for a kid who just turned 19 to not be ready to lead an NBA team. to need teammates to set him up. dunno.

Okay, Cameron Carr. Sheesh. 3-3 from three including one from about 27 ft and another from about 35 feet - with a hand in his face on each one. singlehandedly keeping baylor in the game.

interesting you lumped collier in with that group. he has his deficiencies, but the dude plays with fire. just the other day he got in a little dust up over who got to hold the basketball during a break in play.

you call it cherry picking, i call it raising the bar*. you came up with the stats, i just increased them to the level he's at. all that remained were league MVPs. *sure, yeah, it's cherry picking.

except, i will say, you mentioned that yesterday, and said something along the lines of "once he drives and draws a foul, then..." i have no idea where the post was, maybe you remember saying that, but he went out and did exactly that last night against GSW. so again, while he's not good at...

if you move it to 30% ast% and TS% 59 there are even fewer - granted NBA.com hasn't updated since last night, so it won't show Key at 59% TS, but that's where he is. If you move it to 33% ast (again, need NBA.com to update) with the 59% TS, it's Key and a group of MVPs - Luka, Shai, Jokic...

and key shoots and makes a lot more FTs. they aren't the same, but they are having comparable third seasons and Key is younger than mitchell was.

I don't disagree, but i feel like he's making strides - perhaps toddler strides - in this area as the season progresses. we're seeing him attack closeouts and just put the ball on the floor and create more and more. again, it's not a lot, but it's happening.

It’s just a really bad defensive team. Thank goodness, tbh- I haven’t looked at numbers, but I’d guess their offense at least NBA average. Which would mean at least a .500 record if their defense were worth a ****.

key just needs shots to go in the basket. he can create looks at all three levels and he's a plus passer/playmaker. he just needs the ball to go through the hoop at a much higher rate than it did his first two years.