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Crazy *** Trades for the Jazz

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Utah trades Favors, Diaw, Exum, Hood to Portland. Burks and Hill and Joe Johnson to Dallas.

Portland trades Lillard and Leonard to Utah.

Dallas trades Wes Matthews and Deron to Utah.

Utah gets Lillard, Deron, Matthews, and Leonard.
Portland gets Favors, Diaw, Hood, Exum.
Dallas gets Hill and Burks.

Portland cuts Diaw, sits Favors for the rest of the year, gets a top 5 pick and 20 million in cap space.
Dallas gets one more run with Dirk. Hill is better than Deron and Burks has potential and Joe has been playing well this year. Joe's contract is up when Dirk's is, which ends sooner than Matthews' does. They also get cap space in freeing up Matthews' deal (saves them about 8 million next year giving them 20 million in cap space next year. 45 if Dirk retires).
Utah gets a star in Lillard, a better SG than they have right now in Matthews, a backup PG in Deron who has experience and a backup C in Leonard who has played well in the past.

Utah's roster:

Lillard, Deron, Neto
Wes Matthews, Deron, Hayward
Hayward, Ingles
Leonard, Lyles, Bolomboy
Gobert, Withey

PG - we are better. Lillard is better than Hill and it isn't even close. Lillard is our best player. Deron is a better backup, right now, than Exum. And Exum is probably never as good as Lillard.
Matthews is a wash with Hood, but Matthews is more experienced and a better defender. I'd say we are more playoff ready with Matthews than Hood.
SF - stays the same
PF - we are worse here IF Favors is healthy. If Favors isn't healthy, if you can get Leonard to get back to where he was a couple years ago, when he shot 40% from three? We are a lot better at PF.
C - Same.

The biggest problem with this is money.

Look at our salary next year:

Lillard: 26 million
Matthews: 18 million
Hayward: 31 million
Leonard: 10 million
Lyles: 3 million
Gobert: 21 million

That is 109 million. The cap will be set at around 107 with luxury tax at 127. So, we will be 20 million under the tax but still over the cap.

BUT, with all the hub-bub about the Miller's not making any money off the Jazz...they should be PUMPED for this, right? lol. I hate the Millers.
 
Trades that size never happen. Too many pieces.

Also, Lillard would not be our best player, Gobert is king.
 
Sorry. This is bad. Really bad. Rather see them just chase PG or Butler or Lillard. Then add guys for the minimum after cuts. Too many moving parts. I appreciate thinking outside the box, but I don't think this is a good idea at all.
 
I mean, screw it, why don't we trade Hayward and Gobert for Carmello. Blow up the whole team, let them take a couple more years to get used to playing together, and then blow it all up again.
 
So basically you're saying Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder ante up in ski masks and pull a terrorist ploy on Mark Cuban and Portlands Owner, President and GM by holding both of their families hostage until they trade their entire teams to us.

Because that's the only way this might happen. You'd probably have to tie Portlands President to a flimsy office chair and strap a bomb to his chest while hanging him over a skyscraper, because this trade is bat **** ridiculous.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
So basically you're saying Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder ante up in ski masks and pull a terrorist ploy on Mark Cuban and Portlands Owner, President and GM by holding both of their families hostage until they trade their entire teams to us.

Because that's the only way this might happen. You'd probably have to tie Portlands President to a flimsy office chair and strap a bomb to his chest while hanging him over a skyscraper, because this trade is bat **** ridiculous.
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You'd have to have Liam Neeson do it. Bruce Willis couldn't pull it off at this point.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
So basically you're saying Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder ante up in ski masks and pull a terrorist ploy on Mark Cuban and Portlands Owner, President and GM by holding both of their families hostage until they trade their entire teams to us.

Because that's the only way this might happen. You'd probably have to tie Portlands President to a flimsy office chair and strap a bomb to his chest while hanging him over a skyscraper, because this trade is bat **** ridiculous.
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I know you are just trying to be a dick, and congrats, you succeeded.

Now, Portland would get a top 5 defensive big man, a starting SF that Woj, et al said would get 90 million as a FA, a PG that still has All Star potential in Exum, 20 million in cap space and a shot at a top 5 pick this year.

Now, out of all the recently traded Stars, Deron, Paul, Carmelo, Cousins, Harden, etc, who has gotten a better deal than that?

So...do we want to have a big boy discussion, or are we just here to be antagonistic?
 
green said:
I know you are just trying to be a dick, and congrats, you succeeded.

Now, Portland would get a top 5 defensive big man, a starting SF that Woj, et al said would get 90 million as a FA, a PG that still has All Star potential in Exum, 20 million in cap space and a shot at a top 5 pick this year.

Now, out of all the recently traded Stars, Deron, Paul, Carmelo, Cousins, Harden, etc, who has gotten a better deal than that?

So...do we want to have a big boy discussion, or are we just here to be antagonistic?
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No I thought we was in a crazy mood so I decided to go along with your whole analogy and thesis behind this trade.
 
Locked on Jazz today:

He doesn't think that the door is closed on DWill ever returning but doesn't see it happening now.

Purpose of a trade at this point for the Jazz is all about advancing in the playoffs. But how much is that worth for this season. Pros and cons. Will it make Hayward more likely to stay?

It is important to have low pay scale players on your roster next year in the 13-15th spots. Bolomboy will be one. Will we keep all the 2017 picks?

If Boston offers picks to Indy (George) or Chicago (Butler) why wouldn't they offer it to the Jazz (Hayward)? "Fair to assume" So if Boston offers the 2017 Brooklyn pick and 1-2 reasonable players for Hayward do you do it? He thinks Chicago takes it and Butler becomes a Celtic by the end of the day.

Very possible that the Jazz do Shelvin Mack a solid and move him to a team where he can play

Drummond, Lopez, Okafor, Rose/Rubio, Boston makes a big move...he expects lots of moves with a crazy final 2-3 hours.

"nutty, crazy, insane trade deadline"

George Hill becomes really interesting this offseason. How much are you willing to pay. But if its to much is that when DWill becomes the right piece at the right time?

He doesn't think that Favors should be moved but admits he's biased towards Favors. But ultimately at some point some financial decisions need to be made.
 
By 3 pm we'll be looking like this:

Lillard / Hill
Hayward / Deron
George / Jingles
Love / Dirk
Gobert / Bogut
 
Stoked said:
Locked on Jazz today:



If Boston offers picks to Indy (George) or Chicago (Butler) why wouldn't they offer it to the Jazz (Hayward)?
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This is kind of an apples to oranges question. Hayward is a free agent at the end of this season. George and butler both have multiple years remaining on their contracts at bargain prices.
George and butler should be much more desirable than hayward for that reason and the asking price should be higher for those two.
 
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