Is anybody else scared that Corbin will give Foye more minutes than Burks?
- Thread starter The Norm
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If you already know, why do you have any hope? Ley's face it. Burks will never get the minutes he deserves and it will cause him to leave at the first opportunity and it was pointless for the Jazz to have ever drafted him.
GVC
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What are you trying to say here (have another drink)?
MDAV28
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I really think this is a legitimate concern. Obviously, he couldn't bolt for 3 more seasons, but Burks seems to already be somewhat upset. I remember reading somewhere that he thinks he should start. That tells me he is unhappy with his time. Who wouldn't be, being a lottery pick stashed on the bench with no real chance to prove yourself?
This offseason, Jazz let CJ and Howard walk and tried to get rid of Raja. Burks is probably feeling good at that time. It's probably looking like Harris/Burks/Hayward as our starting backcourt. And then boom, Jazz trade Harris for Marvin Williams and pick up Foye. Suddenly Burks goes from projecting to start to being the 2nd guard off the bench. It shows no confidence in him from the coach or front office.
Burks seems like a competitive guy that just wants to play basketball. I would surely walk if I were him and the Jazz kept this up.
He just has the natural "I'm great and I should start attitude". There is nothing wrong with that if he can keep it in check and not let his desire to start to negatively affect his performance, but let it positively motivate him to play better.
MDAV28
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I agree. And I also agree with him. Playing Burks more now obviously benefits us in the future but also benefits us now in my eyes. I think Burks now is better than Foye has ever been. Sure, we wouldn't be able to shoot 3s with our second unit but I don't think we would have to. That unit would play very tough defense and just keep attacking the rim.
Point is, Jazz should be showing faith in him. I call BS on Corbin saying 'Any position is up for grabs'. He is obviously rolling with Foye because he has the experience, not because he is a better basketball player.
jope
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Didnt this
happen after this
Marvin williams July 2nd
Randy foye signs about Jul 30
CJ miles signs with Cavs Aug 8
Josh howard still TBD
So I guess i'm just a little confused how Burks could feel the way you say he did when it didn't happen like that..
I don't think Coach Corbin is as inflexible and biased towards veterans as some people. Veterans naturally have an advantage in that the coach largely knows what they are capable of. But that doesn't mean that Burks has no chance of getting more minutes. If he shows in practice and games that he is better than Foye, his minutes will increase.
Hotdog
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Its definitely going to be interesting to see how it a plays out for Burks, Favors, and Kanter. We already know that Hayward gets the vet treatment. The others though Im sure cant be happy playing limited minutes off the bench for the first three years of their career. In one sense, it would seem like a good idea to try and motivate those guys to work harder and become great players, by not just handing them the keys, but asking them to earn it. In another sense, we all know how the modern day athlete thinks. Most of them feel entitled and want to play now. Especially if they have legitimate case to be getting more minutes. So you have to worry about pissing them off. Guys will feel like you are jerking with their careers over this kind of stuff. The Jazz are taking a big risk here. They are playing with fire. It could end uo working or it could back fire in their faces. We could end up with motivated and appreciative and better players, or we could end up with pissed off undeveloped players, looking to bolt. All so we could go and try to win a championship with Jefferson and Millsap and fail doing so.
MDAV28
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Sorry I wasn't technical. It was known that CJ was looking for a change of scenery and the Jazz were looking to move on. I think I remember some quotes with CJ calling out Corbin and things like that. Just cause he didn't sign somewhere until August doesn't mean the Jazz didn't let him walk? I'm sure Burks knew what was going on with CJ and the Jazz. Same thing with Josh except Josh showed interest in coming back that wasn't returned by the Jazz. Letting Josh walk was probably a little more up in the air until we acquired Marvin. Point is, Jazz were moving on from 2 players (Raja and CJ) that played Burks position at SG. Howard leaving was more of an indirect effect on his minutes cause it would move Hayward to the 3.
Hotdog
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Honestly, If I was Burks, I would look at the scenery and come to the conclusion that Im not getting playing time any time soon. He's got Hayward and Marvin in front of him for the foreseeable future and Foye for another year. Im sure his desire is to start too. If I were him I would just go ask for a trade. Its not like it could hurt anything. It would just put a little pressure on the management and coaching staff to make a decision one way or the other. And getting traded to whoever would be better than knowing you aren't never cracking the starting line up on this team, let alone you might spend a lot of time on the bench the first half of your career.
I posted these on the game thread, but they deserve another life here on this one since I'm totally on the Burks bandwagon right now over Foye. If I'm not mistaken, Corbin himself is in a contract year, so he will play vets, vets, and more vets.
TOP CHUCKERS
Here are the top chuckers on the second unit. Al is thrown in for comparison. The formula is shots per 36 divided by shooting %. Eventually it punishes you for taking lots of shots even if you shoot at a good %.
Chucker Score (Higher = Bigger Chucker)
EXAMPLE: Kobe Bryant against us last year in LA (19.5/.15 = 130 = absurd chucker); he shot 19.5/36 and shot 15%
1. TOP chucker is Foye (15.3/.27) = 56.7
2. Favors (13.9/.25) = 55.6
3. Al (14.2/.41) = 34.6
4. Kanter (14.5/.51) = 28.4
5. Carroll (12.2/.43) = 28.4
6. Burks (12.3/.49) = 25.1
That's right; Burks is the lowest chucker on the 2nd unit and maybe the team behind J. Evans.
[table="width: 100, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Player[/td]
[td]Shot %[/td]
[td]3%[/td]
[td]FT%[/td]
[td]Points[/td]
[td]Pnts/36[/td]
[td]Assists/g[/td]
[td]TO/g[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Burks[/td]
[td]49% (18/37)[/td]
[td]71% (5/7)[/td]
[td]53% (10/19)[/td]
[td]8.5[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]1.3[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Foye[/td]
[td]27% (13/49)[/td]
[td]33% (7/21)[/td]
[td]70% (7/10)[/td]
[td]6.7[/td]
[td]12.5[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1.5[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Burks is also a fantastic rebounder for his position.
TOP CHUCKERS
Here are the top chuckers on the second unit. Al is thrown in for comparison. The formula is shots per 36 divided by shooting %. Eventually it punishes you for taking lots of shots even if you shoot at a good %.
Chucker Score (Higher = Bigger Chucker)
EXAMPLE: Kobe Bryant against us last year in LA (19.5/.15 = 130 = absurd chucker); he shot 19.5/36 and shot 15%
1. TOP chucker is Foye (15.3/.27) = 56.7
2. Favors (13.9/.25) = 55.6
3. Al (14.2/.41) = 34.6
4. Kanter (14.5/.51) = 28.4
5. Carroll (12.2/.43) = 28.4
6. Burks (12.3/.49) = 25.1
That's right; Burks is the lowest chucker on the 2nd unit and maybe the team behind J. Evans.
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[tr]
[td]Player[/td]
[td]Shot %[/td]
[td]3%[/td]
[td]FT%[/td]
[td]Points[/td]
[td]Pnts/36[/td]
[td]Assists/g[/td]
[td]TO/g[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Burks[/td]
[td]49% (18/37)[/td]
[td]71% (5/7)[/td]
[td]53% (10/19)[/td]
[td]8.5[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]1.3[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Foye[/td]
[td]27% (13/49)[/td]
[td]33% (7/21)[/td]
[td]70% (7/10)[/td]
[td]6.7[/td]
[td]12.5[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1.5[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Burks is also a fantastic rebounder for his position.
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Banned
Burks will get his minutes. He just needs to be patient; he just turned 21, which means he could still be a senior in college. And he still makes rookie mistakes. Favors is 21 and Kanter is 20. The guys are very young. We all need to be patient.
Honestly, I hope we bench Watson and Tinsley and play Foye/Burks as the backup point guard. Foye isn't the best, but he can shoot and plays better defense than Watson/Tinsley.
MDAV28
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This is just preseason though right? And yeah, Corbin is in his final year of his contract but has a team option for next year.
MDAV28
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Tinsley is the closest thing we have to a PG that can run an offense, especially half-court. I like him on the second team out of the options we have.
Burks also made the top play on https://www.nba.com/. I can't get their video to work, so I only included this link. It's on the front page.
GVC
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Even with Foye's piss poor play thus far, he's the only guy you can really play in a 2 guard lineup off the bench next to Burks (because Watson and Tinsley can't shoot). Hopefully Randy can figure out that open 3s are good shots and well defended mid-range runners are bad shots.