Is Trump calling for a civil war considered a just a "mean tweet" by his nut huggers?

[Gameface]

How many millions of Americans die in a U.S. civil war? What are the consequences for the rest of the world? What could a U.S. civil war make better? What wrongs would be made right?

Are we really at a point where it makes sense for the United States to tear itself to pieces? Obviously we're not. We are a wealthy prosperous nation with many opportunities to improve individual outcomes. I wish there were more. I wish the opportunities were extended further. But funny enough that's not what the rhetoric for a civil war is about. The rhetoric is based on the idea that too many "others" are getting opportunities here and not enough of "us" is reaping the benefits of this nation's great bounty.

A bunch of small pie idiots want to tear it all down because they can't imagine just baking a bigger pie. **** there might be blackberries in the pie. Can't have any blackberries thinking they get equal placement in the big pie. Can't have any Muslimberries or atheistberries or gayberries taking up space in our sacred pie. So let's not have any pie and let's all kill each other.

Sounds like a ****ing plan.

 

[Rubashov]

How many millions of Americans die in a U.S. civil war? What are the consequences for the rest of the world? What could a U.S. civil war make better? What wrongs would be made right?

Are we really at a point where it makes sense for the United States to tear itself to pieces? Obviously we're not. We are a wealthy prosperous nation with many opportunities to improve individual outcomes. I wish there were more. I wish the opportunities were extended further. But funny enough that's not what the rhetoric for a civil war is about. The rhetoric is based on the idea that too many "others" are getting opportunities here and not enough of "us" is reaping the benefits of this nation's great bounty.

A bunch of small pie idiots want to tear it all down because they can't imagine just baking a bigger pie. **** there might be blackberries in the pie. Can't have any blackberries thinking they get equal placement in the big pie. Can't have any Muslimberries or atheistberries or gayberries taking up space in our sacred pie. So let's not have any pie and let's all kill each other.

Sounds like a ****ing plan.

Divide and rule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A strategy as old as time.

This is a more recent theory, I'm still hopeful.

 

[The Thriller]

How many millions of Americans die in a U.S. civil war? What are the consequences for the rest of the world? What could a U.S. civil war make better? What wrongs would be made right?

Are we really at a point where it makes sense for the United States to tear itself to pieces? Obviously we're not. We are a wealthy prosperous nation with many opportunities to improve individual outcomes. I wish there were more. I wish the opportunities were extended further. But funny enough that's not what the rhetoric for a civil war is about. The rhetoric is based on the idea that too many "others" are getting opportunities here and not enough of "us" is reaping the benefits of this nation's great bounty.

A bunch of small pie idiots want to tear it all down because they can't imagine just baking a bigger pie. **** there might be blackberries in the pie. Can't have any blackberries thinking they get equal placement in the big pie. Can't have any Muslimberries or atheistberries or gayberries taking up space in our sacred pie. So let's not have any pie and let's all kill each other.

Sounds like a ****ing plan.

Don’t forget the transberries, they’re icky and also god says they’re sinful and I don’t wanna learn new things. There’s only two types of berries… /s

Good post. A civil war makes no sense. In addition to the prejudices you cited, I also think there’s a large segment of Americans who are just bored as ****. Whether you’re a yoga mom who spends 20 hrs a day getting worked up over Qanon, operation underground, and library books on Facebook or a 45 year old dude who takes his truck on an anti vaccine pro trump truck convoy. A lot of Americans are just bored narcissists looking for something to give them meaning in life.

America post Cold War is an interesting place. For a time radical Islam gave our country something to focus on. But in reality, for most of the past 30 years (since the wall came down) America has turned its focus on itself… and often not in good or healthy ways. We could’ve made so many better policy moves to improve lives, decrease inequality, and protect the environment. Instead… we argue about waging a civil war over (insert whatever Fox News is bitching about today).

 

[Red]

Don’t forget the transberries, they’re icky and also god says they’re sinful and I don’t wanna learn new things. There’s only two types of berries… /s

Good post. A civil war makes no sense. In addition to the prejudices you cited, I also think there’s a large segment of Americans who are just bored as ****. Whether you’re a yoga mom who spends 20 hrs a day getting worked up over Qanon, operation underground, and library books on Facebook or a 45 year old dude who takes his truck on an anti vaccine pro trump truck convoy. A lot of Americans are just bored narcissists looking for something to give them meaning in life.

America post Cold War is an interesting place. For a time radical Islam gave our country something to focus on. But in reality, for most of the past 30 years (since the wall came down) America has turned its focus on itself… and often not in good or healthy ways. We could’ve made so many better policy moves to improve lives, decrease inequality, and protect the environment. Instead… we argue about waging a civil war over (insert whatever Fox News is bitching about today).

The Doom Spiral of Pernicious Polarization

The U.S. is more dangerously divided than any other wealthy democracy. Is there a way back from the brink?

www.theatlantic.com

Reducing Pernicious Polarization: A Comparative Historical Analysis of Depolarization

To better understand the various paths by which societies might overcome or reduce political divisions, this working paper examines perniciously polarized countries that have successfully depolarized, at least for a time.

carnegieendowment.org

 

[leftyjace]

Man, I have been impressed with the Atlantic lately. Lots and lots of great articles in that rag.
Anybody a subscriber?

 

[gandalfe]

Man, I have been impressed with the Atlantic lately. Lots and lots of great articles in that rag.
Anybody a subscriber?

Me. My father likes to give my brother and I subscriptions to various things.

 

[LogGrad98]

How many millions of Americans die in a U.S. civil war? What are the consequences for the rest of the world? What could a U.S. civil war make better? What wrongs would be made right?

Are we really at a point where it makes sense for the United States to tear itself to pieces? Obviously we're not. We are a wealthy prosperous nation with many opportunities to improve individual outcomes. I wish there were more. I wish the opportunities were extended further. But funny enough that's not what the rhetoric for a civil war is about. The rhetoric is based on the idea that too many "others" are getting opportunities here and not enough of "us" is reaping the benefits of this nation's great bounty.

A bunch of small pie idiots want to tear it all down because they can't imagine just baking a bigger pie. **** there might be blackberries in the pie. Can't have any blackberries thinking they get equal placement in the big pie. Can't have any Muslimberries or atheistberries or gayberries taking up space in our sacred pie. So let's not have any pie and let's all kill each other.

Sounds like a ****ing plan.

You know to me this is all a symptom of rampant prosperity. People don't (generally, of course there are always exceptions) have to worry about where their food comes from, I mean when was the last time you had to worry about buying tainted meat relistically, etc.? They don't have to worry about shelter for the most part. They don't have to worry about economic instability. I mean we have had recessions and downturns over the past 2 decades that rival the great depression in terms of economic value lost, yet we have weathered the storm far far better than we did in the early parts of the last century, and in fact for most people it was just a blip on the radar. Everyone has a cell phone, and I mean everyone. It is the single most ubiquitous thing in modern daily life. We do a sub for santa thing every year, or try to to, and in the last couple of years we helped out a family in our ward where the mom was sick and undergoing medical care and the dad had lost his job. They lived in a 2 bedroom place with 3 kids. And when we took them the stuff they invited us in, and every one of them had a cell phone, most newer iPhones, they had a 70" TV on the wall. They had 2 newer cars in the driveway, and a pretty nice pickup truck. Don't get me wrong, I did not doubt for a second they needed assistance for christmas, I did not question our decision to help out, but in the last 100 years the definition of this kind of need has changed a lot. Now, everyone has clothing, shelter, warmth, etc., and most have things that just 50 years ago would look like extreme luxury that is just part of daily life now for the most part.

Looking at the hierarchy of needs, humans spent millennia worrying about physiological and safety needs. Those are largely afterthoughts now. Most people have a firm grasp on belongingness, although it is fading as we get more and more isolated even as we get more and more facebook friends and social media followers. We have moved more into esteem and self-actualization as a society. It used to be this was far more individual but we are so prosperous as a society in general that these are the pressing concerns now. And imo humans have an instinctual drive to self-preservation that levels it itself at whatever level you are in this hierarchy, generally speaking. So if the bottom 3 tiers are more or less secure, then that self-preservation drive will kick in when we perceive our esteem is threatened. We have to fight something, basically. And so twitter is the poster-child for fighting for our esteem, which is akin to fighting for our lives, as the context has changed. And so in this new context, driven by rampant prosperity, the idea of a civil war because someone hurt my feelings or because I feel marginalized or because someone made me mad and there are a lot of us guys on twitter mad about the same thing, a civil war begins to make sense. We have to preserve our way of life! That is the rallying cry. Funny how easily we can substitute in "We have to preserve our esteem!" and how well it fits.

These are the causes worth fighting now. And this is also why so so so many fight tooth and nail against social change like BLM and LGBTQ rights, because they feel like it is a direct slam to their esteem and begins to threaten their safety and security. Nut jobs live where the hierarchy slides back, and so many now feel that since their esteem and privilege is threatened, it is akin to their safety and security being upended, so they need to rail against it, and something like civil war starts to sound like the reasonable path to safety and security.

And to quote @Gameface again, they don't feel like it is tearing America to pieces, they feel like it is preserving the America they know and love, where everyone is in their place, and the rightfully privileged have that privilege go unchallenged.



TLDR: I'll kill y'all fer ma freedums and ma way of life! 'Murrica!

 

[The Thriller]

Man, I have been impressed with the Atlantic lately. Lots and lots of great articles in that rag.
Anybody a subscriber?

I am

 

[Avery]

I dream of an election where neither Trump or Biden are a candidate in 2024, but sure feels like we somehow will be idiotic enough as a populace to do it yet again.

 

[LogGrad98]

I dream of an election where neither Trump or Biden are a candidate in 2024, but sure feels like we somehow will be idiotic enough as a populace to do it yet again.

We only trust old white guys.

 

[str8line]

You know to me this is all a symptom of rampant prosperity. People don't (generally, of course there are always exceptions) have to worry about where their food comes from, I mean when was the last time you had to worry about buying tainted meat relistically, etc.? They don't have to worry about shelter for the most part. They don't have to worry about economic instability. I mean we have had recessions and downturns over the past 2 decades that rival the great depression in terms of economic value lost, yet we have weathered the storm far far better than we did in the early parts of the last century, and in fact for most people it was just a blip on the radar. Everyone has a cell phone, and I mean everyone. It is the single most ubiquitous thing in modern daily life. We do a sub for santa thing every year, or try to to, and in the last couple of years we helped out a family in our ward where the mom was sick and undergoing medical care and the dad had lost his job. They lived in a 2 bedroom place with 3 kids. And when we took them the stuff they invited us in, and every one of them had a cell phone, most newer iPhones, they had a 70" TV on the wall. They had 2 newer cars in the driveway, and a pretty nice pickup truck. Don't get me wrong, I did not doubt for a second they needed assistance for christmas, I did not question our decision to help out, but in the last 100 years the definition of this kind of need has changed a lot. Now, everyone has clothing, shelter, warmth, etc., and most have things that just 50 years ago would look like extreme luxury that is just part of daily life now for the most part.

Looking at the hierarchy of needs, humans spent millennia worrying about physiological and safety needs. Those are largely afterthoughts now. Most people have a firm grasp on belongingness, although it is fading as we get more and more isolated even as we get more and more facebook friends and social media followers. We have moved more into esteem and self-actualization as a society. It used to be this was far more individual but we are so prosperous as a society in general that these are the pressing concerns now. And imo humans have an instinctual drive to self-preservation that levels it itself at whatever level you are in this hierarchy, generally speaking. So if the bottom 3 tiers are more or less secure, then that self-preservation drive will kick in when we perceive our esteem is threatened. We have to fight something, basically. And so twitter is the poster-child for fighting for our esteem, which is akin to fighting for our lives, as the context has changed. And so in this new context, driven by rampant prosperity, the idea of a civil war because someone hurt my feelings or because I feel marginalized or because someone made me mad and there are a lot of us guys on twitter mad about the same thing, a civil war begins to make sense. We have to preserve our way of life! That is the rallying cry. Funny how easily we can substitute in "We have to preserve our esteem!" and how well it fits.

These are the causes worth fighting now. And this is also why so so so many fight tooth and nail against social change like BLM and LGBTQ rights, because they feel like it is a direct slam to their esteem and begins to threaten their safety and security. Nut jobs live where the hierarchy slides back, and so many now feel that since their esteem and privilege is threatened, it is akin to their safety and security being upended, so they need to rail against it, and something like civil war starts to sound like the reasonable path to safety and security.

And to quote @Gameface again, they don't feel like it is tearing America to pieces, they feel like it is preserving the America they know and love, where everyone is in their place, and the rightfully privileged have that privilege go unchallenged.



TLDR: I'll kill y'all fer ma freedums and ma way of life! 'Murrica!



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Nailed it. Awesome post dude.

 

[Rubashov]

You know to me this is all a symptom of rampant prosperity. People don't (generally, of course there are always exceptions) have to worry about where their food comes from, I mean when was the last time you had to worry about buying tainted meat relistically, etc.? They don't have to worry about shelter for the most part. They don't have to worry about economic instability. I mean we have had recessions and downturns over the past 2 decades that rival the great depression in terms of economic value lost, yet we have weathered the storm far far better than we did in the early parts of the last century, and in fact for most people it was just a blip on the radar. Everyone has a cell phone, and I mean everyone. It is the single most ubiquitous thing in modern daily life. We do a sub for santa thing every year, or try to to, and in the last couple of years we helped out a family in our ward where the mom was sick and undergoing medical care and the dad had lost his job. They lived in a 2 bedroom place with 3 kids. And when we took them the stuff they invited us in, and every one of them had a cell phone, most newer iPhones, they had a 70" TV on the wall. They had 2 newer cars in the driveway, and a pretty nice pickup truck. Don't get me wrong, I did not doubt for a second they needed assistance for christmas, I did not question our decision to help out, but in the last 100 years the definition of this kind of need has changed a lot. Now, everyone has clothing, shelter, warmth, etc., and most have things that just 50 years ago would look like extreme luxury that is just part of daily life now for the most part.

Looking at the hierarchy of needs, humans spent millennia worrying about physiological and safety needs. Those are largely afterthoughts now. Most people have a firm grasp on belongingness, although it is fading as we get more and more isolated even as we get more and more facebook friends and social media followers. We have moved more into esteem and self-actualization as a society. It used to be this was far more individual but we are so prosperous as a society in general that these are the pressing concerns now. And imo humans have an instinctual drive to self-preservation that levels it itself at whatever level you are in this hierarchy, generally speaking. So if the bottom 3 tiers are more or less secure, then that self-preservation drive will kick in when we perceive our esteem is threatened. We have to fight something, basically. And so twitter is the poster-child for fighting for our esteem, which is akin to fighting for our lives, as the context has changed. And so in this new context, driven by rampant prosperity, the idea of a civil war because someone hurt my feelings or because I feel marginalized or because someone made me mad and there are a lot of us guys on twitter mad about the same thing, a civil war begins to make sense. We have to preserve our way of life! That is the rallying cry. Funny how easily we can substitute in "We have to preserve our esteem!" and how well it fits.

These are the causes worth fighting now. And this is also why so so so many fight tooth and nail against social change like BLM and LGBTQ rights, because they feel like it is a direct slam to their esteem and begins to threaten their safety and security. Nut jobs live where the hierarchy slides back, and so many now feel that since their esteem and privilege is threatened, it is akin to their safety and security being upended, so they need to rail against it, and something like civil war starts to sound like the reasonable path to safety and security.

And to quote @Gameface again, they don't feel like it is tearing America to pieces, they feel like it is preserving the America they know and love, where everyone is in their place, and the rightfully privileged have that privilege go unchallenged.



TLDR: I'll kill y'all fer ma freedums and ma way of life! 'Murrica!



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I survive somewhere at the bottom of that squalid pyramid...