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Should the U.S. and Canada get closer?

Hmm. Interesting. I would not be opposed to open discussion taking place between the two governments. I am sure certain things would be deemed untouchable by each side. I think it's only a matter of time. Wonder if a central American union will form.
 
I want a union of all English speaking nations with a couple possible exceptions.
 
NO!

There is already a huge problem in America imo with inadequate representation. The United states population of over 300,000,000 is represented by 538 individuals. The Us should be considering splitting the country up legislatively under one constitution and one supreme court(3 from each nation).

Canada would be welcome to join such a league, but to expand the behemoth that is Washington is in my view ridiculous.
 
heyhey said:
NO!

There is already a huge problem in America imo with inadequate representation. The United states population of over 300,000,000 is represented by 538 individuals. The Us should be considering splitting the country up legislatively under one constitution and one supreme court(3 from each nation).

Canada would be welcome to join such a league, but to expand the behemoth that is Washington is in my view ridiculous.
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I'm not against what you're saying at all, but I think things like citizenship, immigration, military, trade, etc. could benefit from a closer partnership.
 
Gameface said:
I'm not against what you're saying at all, but I think things like citizenship, immigration, military, trade, etc. could benefit from a closer partnership.
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I wouldn't want to consider this until we had a decent public conversation about REAL representation. I think as things are today this would just be a step towards a single continental government to which I would be very opposed to.
 
Can I get closer one Canadian at a time?

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From this author's point of view the Euro Union is somehow a success and an example to be followed despite the fact that it's constantly falling apart, despite the fact that power has been usurped by unelected bureaucrats, despite the fact that It's gotten so ridiculous that the only argument the integrationists have is that more integration needs to happen for the grand experiment to actually work. Sort of along the same lines that the Socialists or Communists use when you brush over the colossal failures of both. It just wasn't a pure enough form.....

But hey, when you do amalgamate and put all the GDP stats/population stats together it does look mighty impressive. 1 is definitely 1. And 1 + 1 does equal 2. And 2 is bigger than 1.
 
To duck's point, I think this would only work as a full integration, with Canada more or less being absorbed into the US. The overall entity would be the United States of America, with the Canadian provinces more or less being the 51st through 60th states, or whatever the number would need to be. I can see huge hurdles in terms of representative government, health care, the electorate, infrastructure, government spending, debt and obligations, etc. In some ways it would be like a merger of 2 gigantic companies, but the scope would be unprecedented.
 
No need for a union, we'll be declaring war on Canada some time in the latter half of this century when the world's fresh water supply dwindles down to zero - followed by an indefinite occupation.

Quite frankly I think we'll be greeted as liberators.
 
To duck's point, I think this would only work as a full integration, with Canada more or less being absorbed into the US. The overall entity would be the United States of America, with the Canadian provinces more or less being the 51st through 60th states, or whatever the number would need to be.
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59 states - something tells me Quebec ain't gonna go for this.
 
LogGrad98 said:
To duck's point, I think this would only work as a full integration, with Canada more or less being absorbed into the US. The overall entity would be the United States of America, with the Canadian provinces more or less being the 51st through 60th states, or whatever the number would need to be. I can see huge hurdles in terms of representative government, health care, the electorate, infrastructure, government spending, debt and obligations, etc. In some ways it would be like a merger of 2 gigantic companies, but the scope would be unprecedented.
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Exactly. That's the scenario the EU would actually work under too but it would never be what it was sold as being in the first place. It would just be a giant country with a screwed up political system. A uniform entity, hellbent on destroying specific countries' distinctive traits. And that's probably want Brussels wants. People don't want it in totality though at the moment so you have to start them out with things they like, such as making it easier for them to travel/work in other countries and throw a bunch of cow **** government that they don't need on top of that until it's too much to handle and then go with the final solution.
 
As far as representation, wouldn't the best thing to do be go back to the united STATES of america? If we limited federal government power, gave power back to the states, wouldn't that fix the representation problem?

Am I completely oversimplifying this, but if we limited federal government to a 10% tax, and made them balance their budget, and everything they couldn't pay for, they turned over to the states to run. Then, if you wanted to move to Mass, have an 80% state income tax, but had health care, retirement, free food, etc, you could. And if you wanted to move to Wyoming, and have no income tax, but no benefits, rotten roads, etc, then you could.

The federal government would cover military and roads. Maybe one or two other things. I don't feel they should be involved in local police, health care (because what works in Mass might not work in Wyoming), schooling and 90% of the other stuff they are involved in. Let the people decide what is best for them.

Am I crazy?
 
This must be a new way of calling for annexation.


See they are already border neighbors. So if they come more closer, then they will become one.
 
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