Trade question.

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I got to thinking, the one thing that has kept us from winning a championship is defense. For years Dallas was thought as a soft defensive team, they go out and get Tyson Chandler and overnight Dallas is transformed into a good defensive team that eventually wins the championship.

So my thought is what defensive C's are out there that the Jazz could get for ether Millsap or Jefferson? Who is that one defensive presence that could turn this team into a contender? Who is our Tyson Chandler?

 

[Favors Flave]

DeAndre Jordan but the Jazz would first have to get rid of one of the bigs

 

[vslice02]

I got to thinking, the one thing that has kept us from winning a championship is defense. For years Dallas was thought as a soft defensive team, they go out and get Tyson Chandler and overnight Dallas is transformed into a good defensive team that eventually wins the championship.

Didn't make much of a contribution in the Heat series but overall Haywood also was a big part of that - he kept Chandler fresh and allowed Tyson to play hard w/out worrying about picking up fouls. Haywood played a big role in the Lakers series, coming in and banging with Bynum and getting physical with Gasol. Having two defensive centers with 12 fouls apiece is a tremendous luxury.

Also, don't credit all of Dallas' defensive success to Chandler. He was always a good defender and rebouner - but when he was with the Hornets not many people viewed him as a guy who would win someone a championship with his defense. IMO much more should go to Dwayne Casey and the team-defensive concepts he got all the players to buy into.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

DeAndre Jordan but the Jazz would first have to get rid of one of the bigs

I thought of him, but I don't think we are a good trade partner for the Clips. With Griffin on their team

 

[NUMBERICA]

Didn't make much of a contribution in the Heat series but overall Haywood also was a big part of that - he kept Chandler fresh and allowed Tyson to play hard w/out worrying about picking up fouls. Haywood played a big role in the Lakers series, coming in and banging with Bynum and getting physical with Gasol. Having two defensive centers with 12 fouls apiece is a tremendous luxury.

Also, don't credit all of Dallas' defensive success to Chandler. He was always a good defender and rebouner - but when he was with the Hornets not many people viewed him as a guy who would win someone a championship with his defense. IMO much more should go to Dwayne Casey and the team-defensive concepts he got all the players to buy into.

Knocks it out of the park yet again.

 

[Park Bites]

Didn't make much of a contribution in the Heat series but overall Haywood also was a big part of that - he kept Chandler fresh and allowed Tyson to play hard w/out worrying about picking up fouls. Haywood played a big role in the Lakers series, coming in and banging with Bynum and getting physical with Gasol. Having two defensive centers with 12 fouls apiece is a tremendous luxury.

Also, don't credit all of Dallas' defensive success to Chandler. He was always a good defender and rebouner - but when he was with the Hornets not many people viewed him as a guy who would win someone a championship with his defense. IMO much more should go to Dwayne Casey and the team-defensive concepts he got all the players to buy into.

I agree completely team defense is the biggest key. They also have good defender in marion. That is one reason i am big on getting Granger.

 

[orangello]

If we are talking about defensive stalwarts, who is going to be that for the Jazz? I know that Hayward got beat up by fans/writers/announcers but I always felt that it was his big guys that were failing him down low. Hayward had a breakout game against Kobe and suddenly everyone thought that he could play good defense. The combination of Favors and Hayward is exciting because htey will both make a difference on both ends of the floor. I guess I should say they could make a difference on both ends of the floor. I hope that they really are working hard getting better. I would feel great about a Jazz team that only wins 20+ games if I can see that the young guys are trying to get better.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, Haywood was injured during the Heat series.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So my thought is what defensive C's are out there that the Jazz could get for ether Millsap or Jefferson? Who is that one defensive presence that could turn this team into a contender? Who is our Tyson Chandler?

We may already have the answer in Favors.

 

[PrinceJL]

We may already have the answer in Favors.

Agreed. I think Favors will mature into our defensive presence in the paint, where Kanter may hopefully compliment him w/ his offensive prowess!

Thus, trade Jefferson & keep Millsap as our 3rd guy in that rotation.
Hmm... would anyone want to trade Hayward/Jefferson for Granger/Hibbert? (I'm 50/50 on this)

 

[colton]

Agreed. I think Favors will mature into our defensive presence in the paint, where Kanter may hopefully compliment him...

While that might be nice, I'm hoping that he will complement Favors, also.

 

[gregbroncs]

I got to thinking, the one thing that has kept us from winning a championship is defense. For years Dallas was thought as a soft defensive team, they go out and get Tyson Chandler and overnight Dallas is transformed into a good defensive team that eventually wins the championship.

So my thought is what defensive C's are out there that the Jazz could get for ether Millsap or Jefferson? Who is that one defensive presence that could turn this team into a contender? Who is our Tyson Chandler?

Dallas did not just improve their defense with Chandler. They got a new coach. They added quite a few defensive minded players besides Chandler. Kidd, Stevenson, Haywood, Marion and Butler are all above average defenders added to their roster over the last few years.

Basically they decided with Terry and Dirk they had 2 terrific offensive players and needed to surround them with defensive players that could also add a little to the offense. So they got rid of all their offense only players except the 2 best. Replaced them with defensive minded players. And changed their defensive system.

Getting a defensive minded big is something I hope we have solved with the addition of Favors. Now lets see if the system changes and if we can get enough defensive players at other positions while not losing too much offensive firepower.

 

[spycam1]

Favors, Hayward, and hopefully Gilchrist.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Dallas did not just improve their defense with Chandler. They got a new coach. They added quite a few defensive minded players besides Chandler. Kidd, Stevenson, Haywood, Marion and Butler are all above average defenders added to their roster over the last few years.

Basically they decided with Terry and Dirk they had 2 terrific offensive players and needed to surround them with defensive players that could also add a little to the offense. So they got rid of all their offense only players except the 2 best. Replaced them with defensive minded players. And changed their defensive system.

Getting a defensive minded big is something I hope we have solved with the addition of Favors. Now lets see if the system changes and if we can get enough defensive players at other positions while not losing too much offensive firepower.

The puzzle will be incomplete for one more year as the Jazz need to draft their future SF. Until then it will be a patchwork solution of using Hayward (200 lbs) on the quicker ones and Millsap (250 lbs) on the stronger SFs (Melo, Bron).

 

[Dr. Jones]

The puzzle will be incomplete for one more year as the Jazz need to draft their future SF. Until then it will be a patchwork solution of using Hayward (200 lbs) on the quicker ones and Millsap (250 lbs) on the stronger SFs (Melo, Bron).

Who is your realistic preferrence to select in '12?

 

[Jazz4ever]

Who is your realistic preferrence to select in '12?

I'm not comfortably leaning toward any one guy yet as there isn't enough to go on with most of the prospects being freshman. I guess that's why I'm really looking forward to the college season. The Jazz have to value three point shooting higher than most though as Hayward is going to be the only reliable three point threat. Barnes is probably out of the Jazz range barring they get a top 3 lottery pick, but obviously would prefer him - picture perfect shooting mechanics. Do you think any of these freshmen project to be good long range shooters: Gilchrist, Miller, Thomas? I'm somewhat on the fence about Terrence Jones. He is a little too power forwardish for me, but if he kills it form three point range this year would have no problem taking him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm not comfortably leaning toward any one guy yet as there isn't enough to go on with most of the prospects being freshman. I guess that's why I'm really looking forward to the college season. The Jazz have to value three point shooting higher than most though as Hayward is going to be the only reliable three point threat. Barnes is probably out of the Jazz range barring they get a top 3 lottery pick, but obviously would prefer him - picture perfect shooting mechanics. Do you think any of these freshmen project to be good long range shooters: Gilchrist, Miller, Thomas? I'm somewhat on the fence about Terrence Jones. He is a little too power forwardish for me, but if he kills it form three point range this year would have no problem taking him.

Barnes only shot 34.5% from behind the arc. Gillie show 40% but not nearly as many. Thomas isn't much better. Quincy Miller is the best shooting elite SF in the draft, but I wouldn't draft him ahead of Barnes or Gillie (lazy, attitude is questionable, etc).

As SF's go, I actually say it's #1a - Barnes, #1b - Gilchrist, #3 - Miller, #4 Thomas .. then a pretty decent drop-off. As you said, though, need to watch the season unfold. I project Barnes' season will be volume scorer, though not very efficient. I see Gilchrist scoring only a few points less than Barnes, but much more efficiently. Gilchrist has a 10+ intangible, 10+ motor, and averaged better than 5 BLOCKS per game as a SF and against the top-tier national competition. Barnes will get the pub because he's more flashy, whereas bb purists will recognize Gilchrist for all the non stat-sheet stuff.

/rambling

 

[spycam1]

Barnes only shot 34.5% from behind the arc. Gillie show 40% but not nearly as many. Thomas isn't much better. Quincy Miller is the best shooting elite SF in the draft, but I wouldn't draft him ahead of Barnes or Gillie (lazy, attitude is questionable, etc).

As SF's go, I actually say it's #1a - Barnes, #1b - Gilchrist, #3 - Miller, #4 Thomas .. then a pretty decent drop-off. As you said, though, need to watch the season unfold. I project Barnes' season will be volume scorer, though not very efficient. I see Gilchrist scoring only a few points less than Barnes, but much more efficiently. Gilchrist has a 10+ intangible, 10+ motor, and averaged better than 5 BLOCKS per game as a SF and against the top-tier national competition. Barnes will get the pub because he's more flashy, whereas bb purists will recognize Gilchrist for all the non stat-sheet stuff.

/rambling

Agree with everything you said. Quick question though, what's the lowest draft spot Gilchrist/Miller could drop to in your opinion?

 

[Stifle Tower]

While that might be nice, I'm hoping that he will complement Favors, also.

I think PrinceJL had it right the first time. Favors is a young guy and kind of a loner. I'm hoping Kanter will come in and say, "nice block,"way to box out on that rebound," or even, "nice threads" prior to the game. Get Derrick feeling good about himself and it should translate into harder work on the court.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

While that might be nice, I'm hoping that he will complement Favors, also.

That was a good post that added nicely to what the other guy said.