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The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

Stifle Tower said:
A home game for Utah against an equally pathetic team. Jazz should have won. Corbin had zero effect on the outcome. Boston and Sacramento are definitely key teams. Both could easily out tank the Jazz. Although if Utah continues starting Exum and Millsap, they might still have the edge.
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Snyder made those changes because it makes the team better, not worse. Burke scores fromt he bencha nd having Exum in the starting 5 gets Hayward going earlier. Biggest question for me is if this is part of the reason Gobert has slowed down a little. Going from Exum to Burke as the PG he primarily plays with.
 
No AD tonight, and Anderson doubtful. This looks like a W to me.

As much as I'm not rooting for loses I have to say I want at least Super Mario or Johnson(the unreachable would be Russell). Dilemma dilemma. I could really live w/ KATs potential but another project? I heard different opinions about this draft class from the most of you but I ain't really in love w/ nobody. Hope that changes coming Draft Day.
 
Pacers, Magic, and Magic won tonight. All those teams are near us in total wins. It would be great if the Magic could get a hot streak going and rail off a couple of wins.
 
Kings already getting better slowly...


Hopefully Miller can help them win a few more games...


Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick 13m13 minutes ago
Sent George Karl a note about reunion in Sac w/ Andre Miller, "Teach us to pass," he wrote - Professor style. That last part was me.
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Will be interesting to see how these trades affect the Jazz' pick.

Jazz are worse short-term. Kanter HAD to be dealt, but there's no discounting the fact that the starters will struggle to score. They did when Gobert replaced Kanter to start the 2nd half in Portland. Simply can't have three non-shooters on the floor at the same time (Exum, Gobert and Millsap). Hayward is going to be asked to score 30/per.

The "tank"
1-4: New York, Philly, Lakers, Minnesota: no chance at any of these teams catching up. The first four spots are locked up and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the order I have listed.

5: Orlandio. Did nothing at the deadline. Obviously looking towards the return of Gordon next season and adding a pick. I think they end up here.

6-12: Utah, Sacramento, Denver, Detroit, Indiana, Boston, Brooklyn. This is a tightly packed group right now.

6. Denver didn't have a complete fire sale, but they did lose Afflalo. I'm going to pick them to drop to #6.
7. Utah gets worse by losing Kanter and getting Jerrett. I know Gobert picks up additional minutes. So does Booker. But the loss of Kanter's offense will hurt.
8. Indiana. Did nothing. Hope they can stay ahead of Utah.
9. Brooklyn. Got Thaddeus Young. Shipped out Garnett. Ho hum. Just playing out the year.
10. Detroit. Added Reggie Jackson and Tayshaun Prince, lost Augustin, Singler and Jerebko. Reggie obviously the key here. He makes the team better.
11. Sacramento. Andre Miller is not the reason I have them #11. They were playing well under Malone to start the season until Cousins went down. Karl will lead them to a strong finish.
12. Boston. Added Isaiah Thomas, Jerebko and Datome and shipped out Thornton and Prince. Now they have a PG who can score but not defend and one who can defend but not shoot. Perfect! Thomas is a short-term upgrade over Smart. They'll pick up some wins in the EC.

13. Phoenix. Completely screwed up what was once a promising team. I can't even keep up with their transactions. I know they got Knight and a bunch of picks, but shipped out Goran AND Zoran Dragic, Plumlee and Ennis. Some of the other players they acquired will be waived. Bledsoe is now their marquee player, surrounded by Knight, the Morris' and the hope of drafting future decent players.

14. New Orleans. Not going to finish ahead of OKC for that last playoff spot. Did some cost savings maneuvers, including dumping Salmons. Picked up Norris Cole. Decent job.
 
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Stifle Tower said:
Will be interesting to see how these trades affect the Jazz' pick.

Jazz are worse short-term. Kanter HAD to be dealt, but there's no discounting the fact that the starters will struggle to score. They did when Gobert replaced Kanter to start the 2nd half in Portland. Simply can't have three non-shooters on the floor at the same time (Exum, Gobert and Millsap). Hayward is going to be asked to score 30/per.

The "tank"
1-4: New York, Philly, Lakers, Minnesota: no chance at any of these teams catching up. The first four spots are locked up and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the order I have listed.

5: Orlandio. Did nothing at the deadline. Obviously looking towards the return of Gordon next season and adding a pick. I think they end up here.

6-12: Utah, Sacramento, Denver, Detroit, Indiana, Boston, Brooklyn. This is a tightly packed group right now.

6. Denver didn't have a complete fire sale, but they did lose Afflalo. I'm going to pick them to drop to #6.
7. Utah gets worse by losing Kanter and getting Jerrett. I know Gobert picks up additional minutes. So does Booker. But the loss of Kanter's offense will hurt.
8. Indiana. Did nothing. Hope they can stay ahead of Utah.
9. Brooklyn. Got Thaddeus Young. Shipped out Garnett. Ho hum. Just playing out the year.
10. Detroit. Added Reggie Jackson and Tayshaun Prince, lost Augustin, Singler and Jerebko. Reggie obviously the key here. He makes the team better.
11. Sacramento. Andre Miller is not the reason I have them #11. They were playing well under Malone to start the season until Cousins went down. Karl will lead them to a strong finish.
12. Boston. Added Isaiah Thomas, Jerebko and Datome and shipped out Thornton and Prince. Now they have a PG who can score but not defend and one who can defend but not shoot. Perfect! Thomas is a short-term upgrade over Smart. They'll pick up some wins in the EC.

13. Phoenix. Completely screwed up what was once a promising team. I can't even keep up with their transactions. I know they got Knight and a bunch of picks, but shipped out Goran AND Zoran Dragic, Plumlee and Ennis. Some of the other players they acquired will be waived. Bledsoe is now their marquee player, surrounded by Knight, the Morris' and the hope of drafting future decent players.

14. New Orleans. Not going to finish ahead of OKC for that last playoff spot. Did some cost savings maneuvers, including dumping Salmons. Picked up Norris Cole. Decent job.
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BOS seems to have stuffed up their rebuild. I have no idea what they're trying to do. They're not tanking. They're not getting better fast. They don't have a legit NBA talent at any position. I don't even know why they got Isiah Thomas when it's gonna hurt them in the tank rank. I'm a bit worried for them actually.
 
ONE LOVE said:
BOS seems to have stuffed up their rebuild. I have no idea what they're trying to do. They're not tanking. They're not getting better fast. They don't have a legit NBA talent at any position. I don't even know why they got Isiah Thomas when it's gonna hurt them in the tank rank. I'm a bit worried for them actually.
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Boston and Phoenix both seem to have really screwed things up. I'm not sure either team has a clear sense of where they're going. Good young coaches in place, but GM's who have really mucked things up.

Out of all the non-playoff teams, I like the Jazz the best, followed by New Orleans. Obviously, Indiana gets a whole lot better when George comes back. Won't surprise me one bit to see Utah make the playoffs next year.
 
Kings playing energised right now for the new coach. Andre Miller also fitting right in providing vet leadership. Watch out for them.
 
When we play Millsap a lot, I tend to think the tank is on. But that said, he's been playing well.

If we play line-ups with Ingles and Booker together, those guys tend not to be able to score much. That looks tankable.
 
Catchall said:
When we play Millsap a lot, I tend to think the tank is on. But that said, he's been playing well.

If we play line-ups with Ingles and Booker together, those guys tend not to be able to score much. That looks tankable.
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I actually we're playing to win, ... looking at the substitution, Quin is spot on with his offense/defense. We're playing to win, but since a playoff spot is near impossible it wouldn't be the worst thing if we end up getting a good pick in the process.
 
There is a tense fight for the 8th seed in the East with Brooklyn, Detroit, Charlotte and Indiana all with 23 wins, all fighting for the 8th spot. Unlikely any of these teams will let off (i.e., tank).


In the West, OKC (32 wins), Phoenix (30 wins) and NO (30 wins) are all fighting for the 8th spots as well.


In conclusion: I think this means the worst we could finish in terms of the draft spot could be the 9th pick (unless a team jumps in and grab a top 3 pick).
 
ONE LOVE said:
There is a tense fight for the 8th seed in the East with Brooklyn, Detroit, Charlotte and Indiana all with 23 wins, all fighting for the 8th spot. Unlikely any of these teams will let off (i.e., tank).


In the West, OKC (32 wins), Phoenix (30 wins) and NO (30 wins) are all fighting for the 8th spots as well.


In conclusion: I think this means the worst we could finish in terms of the draft spot could be the 9th pick (unless a team jumps in and grab a top 3 pick).
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Um, no. Jazz could easily have enough wins to be in east playoffs, and only be behind the 2 teams that just miss out, putting them at 12, this is what is most likely imo.
 
sgjazzfan said:
Um, no. Jazz could easily have enough wins to be in east playoffs, and only be behind the 2 teams that just miss out, putting them at 12, this is what is most likely imo.
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What I meant was all those teams fighting for the 8th seed in the East aren't gonna 'tank' like in past years when we had teams going 2-8 in the last 10 games. As an example, last year BOS went 2-8, Lakers, SAC, DET went 3-7, ORL went 3-7. Hopefully this year the East team fighting for the 8 seed should in theory keep accumulating 'wins' instead. And as you know, in the 'tank race', the more wins you have, the worse your chances are of a better draft pick.


It's just a theory, let's see what actually happen and revisit.
 
ONE LOVE said:
So... guis... is the tank back on???
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The tank was never on. We were just fooling ourselves.

The reason the tank is not, and has not been, on is that Snyder has no interest in Ls. So we might have a bad record after the season but the Jazz are not tanking.

Any high lottery pick will rely on lotto luck and/or DL making trades.
 
sgjazzfan said:
Um, no. Jazz could easily have enough wins to be in east playoffs, and only be behind the 2 teams that just miss out, putting them at 12, this is what is most likely imo.
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That's one concern I have voiced: that the only non-playoff teams that finish with more wins than the Jazz are OKC and Phoenix. Hiowever, losses like the one to LA may show that we're getting close, but still can't fully overcome the offensive woes of having non-scorers like Ingles and Exum (and usually Millsap) play major minutes, inefficient chuckers like Trey and poor FT shooters (Favors, Booker and Rudy). When just 1 or 2 of our offensive guys have off nights, we're in serious trouble.

There's a very tight grouping in that 8-12 range. However, Utah has a slight advantage because we're still starting a DLeague level PG and a fringe-NBA quality SG. If Utah plays .500 ball the rest of the way, the jazz will finish at 34-48. That's probably good (bad) enough for #9-10.
 
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