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Tomic to the Jazz

Jamezz said:
I only wished he panned out like the great Arvydas. Dude didn't even come over during his prime. He was absolutely demolishing opponents while playing for Real Madrid.
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Sabonis injured both achilles before he came over, and still was very good in the NBA. Imagine if he came over with 2 good achilles, people say he would be top 15 of all time or something. Oh, the what if game... so fun.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
What kind of range does he have? Can he "stretch" the floor a little bit? Maybe a 12-15 ft jumper?
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This is not his game, and it doesn't need to be. Does Splitter 'stretch' the floor?

Barçelona takes like zero mid-range shots. So he doesn't really operate as a jump-shooter. His percentages from set jump shots aren't too bad tho, from what I recall.
 
Ante Tomic is the best center in Europe at the moment.

The traits of an offensive juggernaut were evident when he debuted as a pro in 2004; soft touch finishing around the basket, capability to play above the rim when set up despite his height (which usually suggests a heavier player who struggles to get off the ground) and high IQ to explore his high vantage point for passing to the perimeter on the move or even though doubled- or tripled-teamed. But over time, Tomic has developed into a better screener and a more patient post scorer.

Playing with Marcelinho Huertas and Juan Carlos Navarro these past couple of seasons, Tomic evolved into a very efficient diver to the basket after setting the high pick, which was not the case when he used to play for Real Madrid. He still isn’t the unstoppable force his backup Joey Dorsey is but mixing in those aggressive rolls to the front of the rim have made him more effective when he short rolls and look to hit an open shooter in the perimeter or transform that pick-and-roll into a quick postup within eight feet of the basket. Despite not being particularly tough finishing through contact (just 48 of his 438 points in the Spanish league came off dunks), Tomic is a near certainty around the basket, finishing his 139 attempts in 594 Euroleague minutes at a 74.8% clip.

In the low post, Tomic never really gained the strength to become a scorer who looks to back people down. He always had the footwork and the standing reach to shoot over the top of the opponent’s extended arms but has become more patient working his defender and baiting him into setting up the contest too quickly, creating angles for soft layups or enough space for hooks. He is capable of going left and does it enough so that the opponent can’t overplay his right shoulder but Tomic is more often looking to finish with his right hand, even when turning left. He is a capable jump-shooter but his 40.8% shooting on 71 two-point jump-shots in Euroleague play are mostly due to his efficiency on quick turnaround baby hooks or up-and-under throw-ins, especially because Barcelona is coached to pretty much never even look at the basket from the mid-range area.

Tomic isn’t a natural beast on the offensive glass (that’s how we describe Dorsey) but is a factor helping Barcelona extend possessions, ranking in the top 15 in offensive rebounding rate in both the Euroleague and the Spanish league, with the team grabbing 13% of its misses with Tomic on the floor. Despite his length, Tomic doesn’t rebound outside of his area much but because of his height and leaping ability, he is capable of getting the ball at a higher point than the average opponent. Though he isn’t explosive transforming those opportunities into furious dunks (once again, Dorsey is the standard for this), Tomic scored on putbacks at the seventh highest rate among Europe’s elite.

Tomic is also an incredibly gifted passer, posting the highest assist rate in the Spanish league among centers and second highest in the Euroleague. Because he is so tall, Tomic has a very high vantage point and can see over the top of the defense when he is facing it. He also has great instincts hitting baseline cutters out of the post or shooters spotting up in the perimeter on short rolls and the touch to deliver these passes putting the recipient in scoring position.

The weak link in his offensive game remains his free-throw shooting. He hit just 58% of his 120 attempts in the Spanish league and a more acceptable 68.4% of his 76 attempts in the Euroleague. His shooting motion looks natural and the follow through is consistent but the ball simply does not go in as much as it should. Tomic averaged 2.7 turnovers per 40 minutes in both competitions, which is rather high but on par for the course. Tomic isn’t mechanical with his post moves but does like going through a progression and although natural with his motions, he isn’t particularly quick, which makes him susceptible to getting the ball striped by perimeter players who crash in to help. He is also a risk takes with his passes.

Standing at seven-foot-two and possessing fluid mobility despite his height, Tomic was always suited to become a very impactful defender if he ever became tougher and started playing harder, which has been the case since he transferred from Real Madrid to Barcelona in the 2012 offseason. Barça allowed 102 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor in the Euroleague (the average offense scores at a rate of 107 points per 100 possessions) and just 96.4 in the Spanish league, the third best defensive rating among all players.

Barcelona has its centers showing soft and recovering on the high pick-and-roll, a scheme Tomic is perfect for because of his quick moving feet, which are uncommon for someone his height. Tomic can effectively contest pull-up perimeter attempts by guards who don’t have quick triggers with his length and contain dribble penetration with his mobility as most dribble drivers in the European game do not possess the speed to simply blow by him or the athletic ability to go right at his chest. Tomic does not block as many shots as you assume someone his height should in part because he rarely gives the opponent enough space to get a good look when they are attacking him off the bounce.

Tomic’s physical profile suggests a player bulkier opponents dominate in the post. This is not necessarily the case. He has a weak base and a lean frame without much upper body strength. Quick power moves can be effective against him but if the opponent holds the ball and tries to go through a mechanical progression, Tomic has proven capable of holding his ground and forcing a tough look.

An embarrassing defensive rebounder at Real Madrid, Tomic has crashed the defensive glass a lot harder at Barcelona. He remains only slightly above average among Europe’s elite, grabbing just 21.3% of available rebounds on the defensive glass, but dominated in domestic competition, upping that rate to 27.5%. Tomic compensates not having a high motor with discipline boxing out the opponent. Though he is not a widebody, opponents don’t easily manage to go around him.

Editor’s Note: Statistical data for this post was researched at in-the-game.org, basketball.realgm.com and ACB.com.

Rafael Uehara is the managing editor of ‘Basketball Scouting’. More of his work can be found here or at Upside & Motor, where he is a regular contributor. He can be followed on twitter as @rafael_uehara.
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From July 1 2014.
 
Stifle Tower said:
That's really the offensive game I want Gobert to develop. Tomic isn't firing away from the outside. He just has a good spin move, nice jump hook and jumper from right inside the FT line. Maybe Ante can work with Gobert on offense and vice-versa on defense. PLEASE let this happen. Part of me is still wondering if Tomic just wants a better contract and is leveraging his team by leaking news of a buyout.
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^words I wish I would have said first^

PERFECT FIT. GET TOMIC.
 
How would Tomic compare to a Kaminsky coming out of the draft? I haven't seen anything but some highlight videos on Tomic, but feel I've got a pretty good grasp on Kaminsky and he's a guy I'd love to be our backup center/3rd big.

How's this assesment?
Shooting: Kaminsky by a fairly large margin, Tomic still a better shooter than our bigs though.
Ballhandling/Creating: Kaminsky by a small margin.
Passing: Tomic by a small margin, both better than the bigs we have.
Rebounding: Tomic by a very small margin.
Athleticism: About equal.
Defense: About equal for now, I'd say Kaminsky better on ball/perimeter and Tomic a bit better as a help defender.
With Kaminsky having a bit more room for development and Tomic having an experience edge.

I feel like I prefer Kaminsky cause I think he could play with either Gobert or Favors, but Tomic I really only see fitting with Favors.
 
Eminence said:
How would Tomic compare to a Kaminsky coming out of the draft? I haven't seen anything but some highlight videos on Tomic, but feel I've got a pretty good grasp on Kaminsky and he's a guy I'd love to be our backup center/3rd big.

How's this assesment?
Shooting: Kaminsky by a fairly large margin, Tomic still a better shooter than our bigs though.
Ballhandling/Creating: Kaminsky by a small margin.
Passing: Tomic by a small margin, both better than the bigs we have.
Rebounding: Tomic by a very small margin.
Athleticism: About equal.
Defense: About equal for now, I'd say Kaminsky better on ball/perimeter and Tomic a bit better as a help defender.
With Kaminsky having a bit more room for development and Tomic having an experience edge.
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It's not Kaminsky vs. Tomic, it's Kaminksy vs. Tomic and the person you can draft instead of Kaminsky
 
I would be so on board with trading the 10th-12th pick and Burke for a solid veteran but still youngish PG, and getting a solid SF in FA. That would be a dream off season for me.
 
Cy said:
It's not Kaminsky vs. Tomic, it's Kaminksy vs. Tomic and the person you can draft instead of Kaminsky
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Crazy to think the Jazz can add Tomic, a top 10 pick and Burks to this roster before they even get to signing a significant free agent. Regardless of what they do in free agency, that group alone will be a huge upgrade.

Drinking the kool-aid, baby!
 
Cy said:
It's not Kaminsky vs. Tomic, it's Kaminksy vs. Tomic and the person you can draft instead of Kaminsky
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It's not Kaminsky vs Tomic and the person you can draft instead of Kaminsky, it's Tomic and the person you can draft instead of Kaminsky vs. Kaminsky and the guy you can trade Tomic for ;)

But really I'm just looking for somebody who's seen Tomic a bit more to compare the two for me.
 
tomic is going to beast against NBA second team bigs. Looking forward to seeing tomic and Gobert on the floor at the same time.

Also Tomic is going to be a good mentor to Gobert.
 
stitches said:
Also... I see a lot of people saying he'd be our 4th big. He won't be our 4th big. He will probably be our 3d big(minutes wise).

I really really hope we make this happen. It will definitely raise the level of our rotation... and reportedly Quin absolutely loves him, so... that would probably work great.
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With Tomic we'd have a backup to Gobert and won't need to slide Favors over to the 5. So really, the talk of 3rd or 4th big is immaterial. Booker backs up Favors; Tomic backs up Gobert. Who gets the most minutes depends on which of the starters gets in foul trouble.

I'm not counting on any "dream" trades or winning the lottery. I would like to get DMC in free agency, though. As for Trey, he could be dealt, but I just don't see a realistic option for a trade. As for free agent PG's, most are restricted and all those maneuvers at the deadline have those PG's with teams that want to keep them. Lin is about the only realistic option I could see. I'm betting Burke sticks another year.

Exum, Burke, Neto
Hayward, Burks, Millsap
Carroll, Hood, Ingles
Favors, Booker, Draft (Porzingis or Loony?)
Gobert, Tomic

That's 14 players. If a 2nd rounder surprises (and we'll look to trade at least one of those picks), maybe he makes the roster. Also think Motum is a dark horse to make the team. He's put up some decent numbers in Australia.
 
TBH, I won't be devastated if the Jazz swing and miss in free agency. Tomic and Burks are two pretty decent "acquisitions." And Hood has come on strong. Having Rodney play big minutes as the 3rd wing might be a good thing. I never viewed signing a FA and using that cap space as what would win or lose the Kanter trade. Besides, if we still had Kanter, Tomic would never consider coming over. So in that respect, it may turn out fantastic that we didn't drag this out until the summer with a qualifying offer.

Does anyone know if we have to fit Tomic's salary under the cap, or could we spend up to the cap and then sign him to a contract that would put us over the cap because we already own his rights?
 
Stifle Tower said:
TBH, I won't be devastated if the Jazz swing and miss in free agency. Tomic and Burks are two pretty decent "acquisitions." And Hood has come on strong. Having Rodney play big minutes as the 3rd wing might be a good thing. I never viewed signing a FA and using that cap space as what would win or lose the Kanter trade. Besides, if we still had Kanter, Tomic would never consider coming over. So in that respect, it may turn out fantastic that we didn't drag this out until the summer with a qualifying offer.

Does anyone know if we have to fit Tomic's salary under the cap, or could we spend up to the cap and then sign him to a contract that would put us over the cap because we already own his rights?
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Me either. Let's keep building this thing!
 
I don't think Neto comes next couple of years. I think they are saving his contract for whenever(if) Trey's contract is up and he wants more than we are willing to pay.
 
stitches said:
I don't think Neto comes next couple of years. I think they are saving his contract for whenever(if) Trey's contract is up and he wants more than we are willing to pay.
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Doesn't he want to come over though? I thought it was a different situation from Tomic, but I could be wrong.
 
Carbon13 said:
Doesn't he want to come over though? I thought it was a different situation from Tomic, but I could be wrong.
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He signed a 3 year contract with Murcia last year, so unless we want to buy him out, he's going to be in Spain until 2017.

It's not just up to Neto if he comes or not... it's up to the Jazz if they want to sign him to a contract. That's my point. I don't think there is any incentive by the Jazz to bring him over this year or next year. We have a relatively cheap back up PG already.
 
stitches said:
He signed a 3 year contract with Murcia last year, so unless we want to buy him out, he's going to be in Spain until 2017.

It's not just up to Neto if he comes or not... it's up to the Jazz if they want to sign him to a contract. That's my point. I don't think there is any incentive by the Jazz to bring him over this year or next year.
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Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
 
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