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ONE LOVE said:
Yeah so I did say his age and shooting was a concern.


However to your other point, Per 40 according to DX, Grant leads Booker in Assists (6.8 vs 2), FTM (4.2 vs 2.6), steals (1.8 vs 0.8), FG% (49.4% vs 47.7%). Rebounds was even at around 3.
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Those stats are not updated.
 
Beer said:
Booker isn't being asked to shoulder the offense or anything, should be getting a TON of wide open looks from the guys he plays with and also probably isn't getting the other teams best defender every game. His %'s should be a lot higher than Grants.
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Good thought, but untrue.. Scouting reports are keying on Booker BIG time. They are in his jersey.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
actually i disagree as i posted earlier the way to stop their ability to shoot and pack the lane. I would put your best wing defender on booker when he comes into the game. Dare the twins to jack up 3 while doubling the post every time.
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And that is what is happening..
 
Dr. Jones said:
Good thought, but untrue.. Scouting reports are keying on Booker BIG time. They are in his jersey.
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Thanks for the info, I may be off on most of my post but I am certainly not off on 1 thing. When you play with a bunch of great players you're going to get easier shots than if you're playing with a bunch of no ones. You have to double on more than a few Kentucky players. I like Booker but not until 12 or so.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Age, maybe. But Grant can shoot. 50% FGs, and he is a career 35% 3pt shooter 80% FTs. Not great, but his shot isn't broken. By comparison, MCW was at 39% FGs, 29% 3pt, 69% FT. Completely different shooting numbers.
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His numbers peaked in his junior year though, and dipped slightly this year. I'm not saying that means he has peaked, but it might forewarn of a limited ceiling.
 
Grant and Booker are completely different players, who are asked to do different things for their teams. Why are we even comparing their stats?
 
Beer said:
Thanks for the info, I may be off on most of my post but I am certainly not off on 1 thing. When you play with a bunch of great players you're going to get easier shots than if you're playing with a bunch of no ones. You have to double on more than a few Kentucky players. I like Booker but not until 12 or so.
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Yes and no... a lot of mouths to feed. Look at Kevin Love this year vs. last. I get what you are saying... Just not sure the spacing in college basketball gives the wide open looks.

I really like Booker... He could come in and provide spot minutes and give us shooting and sounds like he won't hurt us on defense. Sounds like culturally it works too.
 
naive question here:

If Stauskas and Booker were in the same draft, how would they be ranked and compared?

Thanks.
 
Jazz4ever said:
His numbers peaked in his junior year though, and dipped slightly this year. I'm not saying that means he has peaked, but it might forewarn of a limited ceiling.
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Keep in mind he was hurt most of his junior year, so sample size. Also I think you're mainly referring to shooting - take a look at G-time's frosh season compared to his sophomore season.

Also I agree Grant and Booker are completely different players who bring different things to the table. No need to compare the two.
 
Guards/Wings

Looking at the some of the NCAA guards/wings advanced stats in case anyone hasn't glanced at them:

Player- Usage- TS%- Reb%- Ast%- TOV%- OBPM/DBPM- PER

Russel- 29.9%- 58%- 10%- 31%- 15%- 9.4/3.0- 27.8
Johnson- 27.1%- 55%- 14%- 13%- 15%- 4.8/5.7- 22.9
Oubre- 22.8%- 55%- 14%- 9%- 11%- 5.5/3.9- 22.1
Booker- 23.5%- 61%- 5%- 12%- 10%- 7.8/2.0- 21.2
Winslow- 22.7%- 56%- 12%- 13%- 14%- 4.6/4.1- 20.5
Grant- 24.3%- 60%- 5%- 34%- 13%- 8.5/1.0- 26.9

Some things I feel like I get out of all them dang numbers. Russell/Grant are obviously in a league of their own for offensive creation (OBPM/AST%). Though Grant's usage number was lower than I anticipated. On the other side of the ball Johnson is ahead of the others by a ways. All of their TS% seem solid to me, though Booker's the best of the group. All in all they all seem like more than solid prospects and I'd be happy to have any of them in Utah.
 
NAOS said:
naive question here:

If Stauskas and Booker were in the same draft, how would they be ranked and compared?

Thanks.
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That's a good question. Nik really shot up draft boards late... I don't think he's a bust but it is tough to go back and project them without the knowledge of how terrible he's been this year.

I think Booker would be selected before him based on defense and being a little bigger. I also think booker is more athletic but nik tested pretty well athletically... Just don't think it manifests itself in games.
 
Grants age and recent dominance create the biggest questions for me. I understand if he had an injury his junior year, but he scares me a bit.
 
Here's the youtube video from DraftExpress on Porzingis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWOjHoJ-U6A
 
Beer said:
Thanks for the info, I may be off on most of my post but I am certainly not off on 1 thing. When you play with a bunch of great players you're going to get easier shots than if you're playing with a bunch of no ones. You have to double on more than a few Kentucky players. I like Booker but not until 12 or so.
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Agree.
 
Eminence said:
Looking at the some of the NCAA guards/wings advanced stats in case anyone hasn't glanced at them:

Player- Usage- TS%- Reb%- Ast%- TOV%- OBPM/DBPM- PER

Russel- 29.9%- 58%- 10%- 31%- 15%- 9.4/3.0- 27.8
Johnson- 27.1%- 55%- 14%- 13%- 15%- 4.8/5.7- 22.9
Oubre- 22.8%- 55%- 14%- 9%- 11%- 5.5/3.9- 22.1
Booker- 23.5%- 61%- 5%- 12%- 10%- 7.8/2.0- 21.2
Winslow- 22.7%- 56%- 12%- 13%- 14%- 4.6/4.1- 20.5
Grant- 24.3%- 60%- 5%- 34%- 13%- 8.5/1.0- 26.9

Some things I feel like I get out of all them dang numbers. Russell/Grant are obviously in a league of their own for offensive creation (OBPM/AST%). Though Grant's usage number was lower than I anticipated. On the other side of the ball Johnson is ahead of the others by a ways. All of their TS% seem solid to me, though Booker's the best of the group. All in all they all seem like more than solid prospects and I'd be happy to have any of them in Utah.
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Grant pretty good PER with 26.9. Right up there with Russell.
 
NAOS said:
naive question here:

If Stauskas and Booker were in the same draft, how would they be ranked and compared?

Thanks.
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Stauskas was the #1 option on Michigan so he had a lot of ball handling and creating opportunities. Booker has to play off ball a lot which basically renders him a catch and shoot guy. Comparing them when they had the same role (Stauskas' frosh season), Booker is a much better prospect. I think Booker could do more than catch and shoot and we'll see that in the NBA.
 
Walt Perrin, VP of Player Personnel, just had an interview and said some interesting stuff... He said he's been watching the college game more than the Jazz and is preparing for the draft. He said he's looking at players who can shoot and make plays for teammates, because our defense is good, but we need improvements on offense. When asked if he's fallen in love with some player in the draft who would be worth maybe using our assets for us to throw in and get, he said "yes, there are a couple of guys, that would probably be taken before we pick". Several times he emphasized looking for great outside shooting.

If I had to guess, he's talking about Russell and probably Hezonja?

If those are unavailable I think that makes Booker really intriguing for the FO.
 
stitches said:
Walt Perrin, VP of Player Personnel, just had an interview and said some interesting stuff... He said he's been watching the college game more than the Jazz and is preparing for the draft. He said he's looking at players who can shoot and make plays for teammates, because our defense is good, but we need improvements on offense. When asked if he's fallen in love with some player in the draft who would be worth maybe using our assets for us to throw in and get, he said "yes, there are a couple of guys, that would probably be taken before we pick". Several times he emphasized looking for great outside shooting.

If I had to guess, he's talking about Russell and probably Hezonja?

If those are unavailable I think that makes Booker really intriguing for the FO.
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Thanks for posting I will give it a listen, but in general Walt is terrible.
 
Eminence said:
Looking at the some of the NCAA guards/wings advanced stats in case anyone hasn't glanced at them:

Player- Usage- TS%- Reb%- Ast%- TOV%- OBPM/DBPM- PER

Russel- 29.9%- 58%- 10%- 31%- 15%- 9.4/3.0- 27.8
Johnson- 27.1%- 55%- 14%- 13%- 15%- 4.8/5.7- 22.9
Oubre- 22.8%- 55%- 14%- 9%- 11%- 5.5/3.9- 22.1
Booker- 23.5%- 61%- 5%- 12%- 10%- 7.8/2.0- 21.2
Winslow- 22.7%- 56%- 12%- 13%- 14%- 4.6/4.1- 20.5
Grant- 24.3%- 60%- 5%- 34%- 13%- 8.5/1.0- 26.9

Some things I feel like I get out of all them dang numbers. Russell/Grant are obviously in a league of their own for offensive creation (OBPM/AST%). Though Grant's usage number was lower than I anticipated. On the other side of the ball Johnson is ahead of the others by a ways. All of their TS% seem solid to me, though Booker's the best of the group. All in all they all seem like more than solid prospects and I'd be happy to have any of them in Utah.
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Decided to look through other wings and guards and see if I could find any who might be worth a look later in the draft.

Levert- not really in our pick range, but if not for the injury I'm sure he'd be in the running for the lottery.
Anderson- Numbers equal to any of the above guys, older, want to see him in the tourney.
Wright- Also very solid numbers, I'm sure lots of teams will look at him late first/early second.
 
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