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Could Kanter and Gobert have worked?

KD's Framily said:
The thing is, players that don't shoot as much and only basically score on easy putbacks and point blank dunks would naturally have a higher TS%. But they aren't a primary option on offense, because those scoring opportunities for them are harder to create, and therefore their point total per game is lower.

TS% only measures efficiency, not volume. But as I pointed out in my previous post that Blue Elephant completely overlooked, Favors is scoring more points than Kanter as well.

Favors is a better scorer both in volume and in efficiency. Hence, the better offensive player.
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Since all star break, Favors is scoring 0.6 more points than Kanter... While playing 3 more minutes per game. I cannot believe you used TS to justify Dfavs is better at offense than Kanter. You have been listening to too much David Locke. He said Al Jefferson is the worst offensive center in the league while Rudy Gobert is top 5 best offensive center in the league.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
Favors is scoring 0.6 more points than Kanter... While playing 3 more minutes per game.
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Fine, let's remove minutes per game from the equation.

Per 40 minutes, Favors and Kanter are both scoring exactly 20.8. Favors is doing so at a higher TS% than Kanter. So volume-wise, they're scoring the same amount per 40 minutes. Favors is just doing so more efficiently.

The Blue Elephant said:
I cannot believe you used TS to justify Dfavs is better at offense than Kanter.
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As I pointed out before, I used TS% combined with points scored.

The Blue Elephant said:
You have been listening to too much David Locke. He said Al Jefferson is the worst offensive center in the league while Rudy Gobert is top 5 best offensive center in the league.
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I have not been listening to David Locke at all. David Locke has nothing to do with this conversation.
 
It's pretty safe to say that Jazz had a #3 pick which developed into max or near max big and traded it for 20c on a dollar. I can see why Kanter wanted out and why Jazz didn't keep him but it hurts to see how little we got for him.
 
Kanter is a beast in OKC, that does sting a little. 23.1 PER and .603 TS% with them. That is indeed max worthy if he keeps it up.
 
CAKAR said:
You should just compare Kanter´s numbers post all star... Thats not the same player...
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lol, why would I eliminate Kanter's #'s in Utah when the entire premise of the topic is whether or not he would have fit with Gobert?

Of course Kanter's numbers improved in OKC - he's playing with an MVP candidate in Russell Westbrook instead of Utah's garbage backcourt and at a much faster pace.
 
KD's Framily said:
lol, why would I eliminate Kanter's #'s in Utah when the entire premise of the topic is whether or not he would have fit with Gobert?

Of course Kanter's numbers improved in OKC - he's playing with an MVP candidate in Russell Westbrook instead of Utah's garbage backcourt and at a much faster pace.
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Because he played mainly with Favors rather than Gobert in Utah?
 
Pop quiz to everybody who isn't a dumbass: Which situation is more similar to playing alongside Gobert in Utah?

A) Playing alongside Favors in Utah
or
B) Playing alongside Westbrook in OKC
 
KD's Framily said:
Pop quiz to everybody who isn't a dumbass: Which situation is more similar to playing alongside Gobert in Utah?

A) Playing alongside Favors in Utah
or
B) Playing alongside Westbrook in OKC
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C) look at all Kanters stats and don't just ignore stats don't don't conform to your confirmation bias.
 
I didn't ignore any stats... I used Kanter's stats for the entire season. In fact, I was trying to explain why I WASN'T ignoring Kanter's Utah stats.

Christ, do you even read before you type?
 
No, it couldn't have worked because Kanter is a ***** and there ain't no room for ******* on the Jazz.
 
KD's Framily said:
I didn't ignore any stats... I used Kanter's stats for the entire season. In fact, I was trying to explain why I WASN'T ignoring Kanter's Utah stats.

Christ, do you even read before you type?
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That is like saying Utah Jazz defense sucks this year. You have to take time into account. The first 10 games of the season should not be weighed equally to the last 10 games. Next year are you going to be one of those retards that say "Utah's defense is so good this year they were so bad last year" without looking extra careful at the second half of this season.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
That is like saying Utah Jazz defense sucks this year. You have to take time into account. The first 10 games of the season should not be weighed equally to the last 10 games. Next year are you going to be one of those retards that say "Utah's defense is so good this year they were so bad last year" without looking extra careful at the second half of this season.
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Well no, external factors should be considered. Utah's defense took a huge jump because they're starting Gobert instead of Kanter.

Likewise, Kanter's offensive productivity took a leap because he's playing alongside an MVP-calibur PG instead of the trash that Utah has at that position. I believe I pointed that out already, but as is your habit, you completely overlooked it.

But when it comes to comparing Favors and Kanter offensively, again I ask, why would I completely disregard Kanter's stats in Utah when the premise of the topic is how he would have worked with Gobert?

It sounds like what you really want to do is compare ONLY Kanter's #'s with Westbrook to Favors. Which is hilariously hypocritical, because, as you yourself posted:

The Blue Elephant said:
C) look at all Kanters stats and don't just ignore stats don't don't conform to your confirmation bias.
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OKC lets Westbrook run around creating shots for himself and others. Its a perfect offense for Kanter because he doesn't have to think. Snyders system requires some ability to actively think out there which I don't think Kanter will ever be able to do.
 
tonstermits said:
OKC lets Westbrook run around creating shots for himself and others. Its a perfect offense for Kanter because he doesn't have to think. Snyders system requires some ability to actively think out there which I don't think Kanter will ever be able to do.
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oh yea and that offensive system of Snyders is such a genius machine now for the rest of the Jazz
 
Kanter's emergence in OKC isn't caused by one thing, it's a combination of things. But make no mistake, him being a ****ing baby here is a huge reason that he played like one when he was here.

But of course, playing with a playmaker the calibre of Westbrook helps a lot while also playing with maybe the only big in the NBA that could help cover his defensive deficiencies and also spread the floor as well as Ibaka did (which doesn't apply at the current time). Also the change of scenery helps, but that's largely redundant as it goes back to him being a weenie.
 
KD's Framily said:
Well no, external factors should be considered. Utah's defense took a huge jump because they're starting Gobert instead of Kanter.

Likewise, Kanter's offensive productivity took a leap because he's playing alongside an MVP-calibur PG instead of the trash that Utah has at that position. I believe I pointed that out already, but as is your habit, you completely overlooked it.

But when it comes to comparing Favors and Kanter offensively, again I ask, why would I completely disregard Kanter's stats in Utah when the premise of the topic is how he would have worked with Gobert?
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That is just it, Kanter and Gobert could have worked if they had a good pg miss TS% shows offensive skill.

Sigh, I don't have the time nor the crayons to debate with someone with your inferior level of intellect.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
That is just it, Kanter and Gobert could have worked if they had a good pg miss TS% shows offensive skill.
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That may be, but the fact remains that Kanter is a worse scorer than Favors both in volume and efficiency, even though Kanter had the benefit of playing with Westbrook for 15 or so games, which Favors did not. Given all that, it's not a stretch at all to say that Favors and Gobert are the better pair. And Christ, we haven't even gotten into defense.

The Blue Elephant said:
Sigh, I don't have the time nor the crayons to debate with someone with your inferior level of intellect.
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Yeah I'd say something like that as well if I knew I was hopelessly wrong.
 
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