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Jazz 15th In ESPN's Front Office Rankings

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Honestly, I don't think there is a better FO than what Dennis Linsdey is doing. He's led the changes, asking the Milllers to pony up more dough for scouting and for players. Snagging Gobert from the Nuggets with The Nets money, matching Hayward when every talking head thought he was a 8-9 Million player, hiring Quin Snyder, trading Kanter to free up Gobert...lots of hits. TO me his main misses are keeping Ty Corbin for the duration of his contract and drafting Trey Burke (at the behest of Ty Corbin, by the way). I give him 2 more years before the Jazz are leading these types of circle-jerk polls.
 

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I'm definitely curious to see where the Jazz rank in the individual categories. Hopefully Quin gets some recognition in the coaching category.
 
These "experts" are fools. That is true now and will be even more obvious in the near future.
 
When you let Millsap and Jefferson go for nothing you cant expect to get ranked super highly.
 
DL is average at best. He made some good decisions (Snyder, Gobert, Hayward) and bad decisions (wasting top lottery picks in Kanter and Burke) and the rating shows it.
 
DL is average at best. He made some good decisions (Snyder, Gobert, Hayward) and bad decisions (wasting top lottery picks in Kanter and Burke) and the rating shows it.

Enes Kanter was drafted June 23, 2011. DL was hired August 7, 2012.

Trey Burke wasn't 100% DL's doing, either.


So Burke is on DL, with an assist to Ty Corbin. Kanter? That's on KOC.
 
Kanter grew into max or near max big and DL traded him for a euro scrub and several 2nd rounders. That's his huge flop, not KOC's

No one could have predicted that Rudy Gobert would have developed to the elite force that he has become. By this time it became too late to trade him for value.
 
No one could have predicted that Rudy Gobert would have developed to the elite force that he has become. By this time it became too late to trade him for value.
Probably because the Jazz had contributed heavily to keeping his value low in the first place? Regardless, this excuse doesn't pass pub test. He is paid very well to do his job and he had everything under his control.
 
Kanter's pick was right. Even Lakers announcers said it tonight, Kanter is playing like a 3rd pick, offensive machine
 
Turning a 2nd rd pick + cash into a potential top 5 C in the NBA far outweighs any negatives that are on DL's record, which aren't many. Yes, in hindsight, allowing Jefferson & Millsap to walk for nothing (although using the cap space created by doing so in order to absorb salary + draft picks from GSW, during a lost season in which that cap space was useless, wasn't exactly nothing) to instead push for a playoff appearance that didn't happen was one of those, I wouldn't be surprised if that was at least partially due to KOC pulling the trump card (considering how DL handled the Kanter situation) & deciding that attempting to continue our legacy of consistently making the playoffs was more valuable than any assets we would have received in return. Moving up for Trey Burke appears to have been a significant mistake on DL's behalf (even if that decision was influenced by Corbin), but considering the team's need for a PG at that point in time & apparent lack of a leader with the alpha mentality necessary to take over late in a game (not to say that Hayward- & even Burks to some extent- hadn't shown glimpses of this), it was an understandable one.

While I can't count Hayward's contract as a complete victory (if the rumors of him being willing to sign for a Derrick Favors level contract were in fact true), matching on his contract was certainly at least a slight victory, & the $3-4 mil difference was definitely made up by the Favors contract- which was a major victory. That's not even mentioning QS, Hood, Booker, E.Millsap, & Ingles, all of which are victories of varying degrees. Drafting Exum & extending Burks are both in the yet to be determined category, while the Kanter trade, imo, should at the very least be considered a wash due to the circumstances (public request for a trade, emergence of Favors/Gobert, contract situation), if not a slight victory considering that the best (or at least better) was made of a bad situation. Not making the move sooner could be questioned, as the pairing of Favors & Kanter up front wasn't showing as much cohesion as you would have liked to see in the limited time that those 2 were on the court together, moving on from a talented young big such as Kanter that quickly is not something you do without having a backup plan (Gobert emerging the way he did & as quickly as he did really altered the direction of this rebuild). Corbin being retained as long as he was is another questionable decision, but there could have been other factors at play (such as KOC feeling a sense of loyalty towards Corbin, the FO's intentions- or lack of- to compete that last year, etc).

Considering the fact that we have no way of knowing for sure just how much of the decisions that have been made during DL's tenure (especially in the beginning) were his to make, evaluating his performance up to this point is difficult. For me, what it comes down to is:

Gobert for a 2nd rd pick & cash+Favors' contract+retaining Hayward+hiring QS >>>>>>>>>> Sap/Jeff walking+trading up for Burke+retaining Corbin

All in all, the creativity/analytical outlook of DL combined with the old school scouting outlook of KOC/Sloan appears to be shaping up into what should eventually be (if it isn't already) a top 10 FO in the NBA.
 
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I'm not ready to call the Kanter trade a win. Sure it freed up minutes for Gobert, but benching Kanter or an injury would have done the same thing. You have to judge it on what the Jazz got back and until DL turns those picks abd players into something better than Enes, I'm not impressed.

I guess the thing that bugs me about the trade is that it was done in the last minute. Kinda like when I stayed up late in high school to do a project I'd been given three weeks to work on. DL knew he had to trade Enes back in October. Is a Dleaguer, a bench player in Europe, and a couple of late picks all that he could get? Right now I'm thinking he messed it up, but maybe I undervalue draft picks.
 
I'm not ready to call the Kanter trade a win. Sure it freed up minutes for Gobert, but benching Kanter or an injury would have done the same thing. You have to judge it on what the Jazz got back and until DL turns those picks abd players into something better than Enes, I'm not impressed.

I guess the thing that bugs me about the trade is that it was done in the last minute. Kinda like when I stayed up late in high school to do a project I'd been given three weeks to work on. DL knew he had to trade Enes back in October. Is a Dleaguer, a bench player in Europe, and a couple of late picks all that he could get? Right now I'm thinking he messed it up, but maybe I undervalue draft picks.

Enes is a third big on the Jazz and would likely have seen his minutes decrease as Gobert grew. He really has huge flaws in his game that are going to be costly in the playoffs. We have seen that movie before. Keep in mind that some idiot team is going to pay Enes 15 million or so. That is not a valuable contract. The money consideration IS something you have to take into account. You can build most of a good bench for 15 million rather than having it tied up in one player. To get something back for a free agent we were not going to even attempt to retain at a huge cost is a tremendous win, and something people bitched about us NOT doing with Sap and Al. I'm sure we could have swapped Kanter for Reggie Jackson, but we actually dodged a bullet there. I like what we actually got better.

To show you just how much Kanter WASN'T valued, Phoenix basically gave Thomas away for table scraps. We probably would have accepted Thomas for Kanter. Phoenix never made that offer. They liked their table scraps more than Kanter at a high dollar contract.

People act like teams were busting down the door for Kanter. They weren't. It was pretty evident that the Jazz weren't going to pay a lot of money to retain him and why should they as they have better players.
 
Enes is a third big on the Jazz and would likely have seen his minutes decrease as Gobert grew. He really has huge flaws in his game that are going to be costly in the playoffs. We have seen that movie before. Keep in mind that some idiot team is going to pay Enes 15 million or so. That is not a valuable contract. The money consideration IS something you have to take into account. You can build most of a good bench for 15 million rather than having it tied up in one player. To get something back for a free agent we were not going to even attempt to retain at a huge cost is a tremendous win, and something people bitched about us NOT doing with Sap and Al. I'm sure we could have swapped Kanter for Reggie Jackson, but we actually dodged a bullet there. I like what we actually got better.

To show you just how much Kanter WASN'T valued, Phoenix basically gave Thomas away for table scraps. We probably would have accepted Thomas for Kanter. Phoenix never made that offer. They liked their table scraps more than Kanter at a high dollar contract.

People act like teams were busting down the door for Kanter. They weren't. It was pretty evident that the Jazz weren't going to pay a lot of money to retain him and why should they as they have better players.

Everything you said plus this... We weren't getting the OKC Kanter. He is clearly more locked in. His effort is much better there than it was here. Had he been playing like this we probably would have kept him or gotten more in the trade, but he was playing like crap. He's had more multiple assist nights there than he did in his whole career here. Mentally he was disengaged here.
 
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