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Kelly Oubre is another great example of why I wish guys had to stay at least 3 years in school. He should have to show he can actually produce at an above average level in college before getting drafted by the NBA in the 1st round. The guy sucked this year, but gets a pass because he's just a freshman. If as a junior he could only manage 9 ppg on 44% and 35%, 5 reb, more turnovers than assists, nobody would care that he's long and can jump high.
 
Nah looks like he's playing with it, posing with it, not really gobbling it down.



He's actually a good poser I'll give him that.

Looks like he is feeding that girl a cookies. Basta.. Does he know that cookies kill. With the Kaminsky picture i actually thought the guy on the left was Showalter.
 
It's definitely Turtle from Entourage.

The guy on the right looks like John Kraminski, or whatever his name it - the dude from The Office.
 
Kelly Oubre is another great example of why I wish guys had to stay at least 3 years in school. He should have to show he can actually produce at an above average level in college before getting drafted by the NBA in the 1st round. The guy sucked this year, but gets a pass because he's just a freshman. If as a junior he could only manage 9 ppg on 44% and 35%, 5 reb, more turnovers than assists, nobody would care that he's long and can jump high.

That's true... it would be much better for NBA if guys are made to stay may be even at least 2 years. The problem is wouldn't you get guys bolting for Europe and China and then just come back for the draft in 2 years' time?


That's already happening now isn't it?
 
That's true... it would be much better for NBA if guys are made to stay may be even at least 2 years. The problem is wouldn't you get guys bolting for Europe and China and then just come back for the draft in 2 years' time?


That's already happening now isn't it?

That would be a bit of a concern, but even then at least they'd have to prove themselves overseas. Though China seems pretty weak - not sure how much you can really tell about a league dominated by Yi and Starbury.
 
That's true... it would be much better for NBA if guys are made to stay may be even at least 2 years. The problem is wouldn't you get guys bolting for Europe and China and then just come back for the draft in 2 years' time?


That's already happening now isn't it?

Not that much. Of course Mudiay, Tyler (which really was a bad idea) and Jennings whom it worked out so so. Certainly if they had to wait two years it would probably increase.
 
That would be a bit of a concern, but even then at least they'd have to prove themselves overseas. Though China seems pretty weak - not sure how much you can really tell about a league dominated by Yi and Starbury.

I guess the worry then is would you get a leakage of talent going to Europe/China, settling down roots over there, and not wanting to come back to the NBA (if the money is good)?


If I were Adam Silver I don't know if that is a risk I'd want to take....
 
Not that much. Of course Mudiay, Tyler (which really was a bad idea) and Jennings whom it worked out so so. Certainly if they had to wait two years it would probably increase.

Exactly. And with an increase in number comes economy of scale.


Would you start watching Euro ball of a team of Hezonja, Okafor, Mudiay VS a team of Towns, Stanley Johnson & D.Russ?? I would.
 
Those Euro teams aren't interesting in developing guys for the NBA.

How about the Chinese league then? Huge population that is getting wealthier by the second. Huge potential for growth. If the 2-3 year rule comes into place guys with talent struggling financially wouldn't turn down million dollar contracts.


You can have a "mini NBA" going on there with young talented kids.
 
Who gives a ****? Its the teams problem if they draft some numb nuts that can't play. Why deprive an often times underprivileged kid a chance to make a couple mil? What a crock of ****.
 
Who gives a ****? Its the teams problem if they draft some numb nuts that can't play. Why deprive an often times underprivileged kid a chance to make a couple mil? What a crock of ****.

and the fans problem because they have to watch some ****ty rookie for 3-4 years while they "develop" the POS who will never amount to anything.
 
How about the Chinese league then? Huge population that is getting wealthier by the second. Huge potential for growth. If the 2-3 year rule comes into place guys with talent struggling financially wouldn't turn down million dollar contracts.

You can have a "mini NBA" going on there with young talented kids.

Sounds nice in theory, and that's what they should eventually try to make over there, but it's not feasible with the government still controlling a lot of the league. Basically, there is no room for a bunch of Mudiays in China right now, especially if you can just sign a Marbury who the fans will actually know and who can still produce at a high level. You can only have 2 or 3 foreigners per team and foreigners are only allowed to play a combined 6 quarters for each team in a game right now, and since they are usually the best players....that's usually 2 guys playing 3 quarters each.
 
and the fans problem because they have to watch some ****ty rookie for 3-4 years while they "develop" the POS who will never amount to anything.

Usually those **** rookies sit on the bench or get sent to the dleague. If the teams is bad enough to have to play a ****ty player then there is no help for said team.
 
to be honest before they can even think of fixing the age issue they need to fix the farming system. the draft needs to be moved out to 4 rounds. pay into the dleague needs to start at about the league minimum and go down from there. get rid of the stupid 10 day contract crap and only allow teams to call up players in their farm club.

nba teams would always have to have 12 active players. no more teams only having 8 active players because of injury. allow players to get bak to strength playing in on the farm team.
 
to be honest before they can even think of fixing the age issue they need to fix the farming system. the draft needs to be moved out to 4 rounds. pay into the dleague needs to start at about the league minimum and go down from there. get rid of the stupid 10 day contract crap and only allow teams to call up players in their farm club.

nba teams would always have to have 12 active players. no more teams only having 8 active players because of injury. allow players to get bak to strength playing in on the farm team.

I love this idea.
 
Sounds nice in theory, and that's what they should eventually try to make over there, but it's not feasible with the government still controlling a lot of the league. Basically, there is no room for a bunch of Mudiays in China right now, especially if you can just sign a Marbury who the fans will actually know and who can still produce at a high level. You can only have 2 or 3 foreigners per team and foreigners are only allowed to play a combined 6 quarters for each team in a game right now, and since they are usually the best players....that's usually 2 guys playing 3 quarters each.

Yeah but those rules and restrictions are not set in stone though right? If the NBA enforces that 2-3 year college rule, the Chinese League will be getting many more phone calls from agents/kids wanting to play there, it will force these teams to pressure the government to alter the rules, etc. Pretty sure the promise of more $$$ under the table would change things.


You're pretty much the "Raymond Tusk" of Jazzfanz, you know as well as I do the Chinese would do anything for $$$, especially when it gives them a chance to **** with the US as well is a Bonus.
 
It's a risk reward thing with unknown players... Just like a speculative business proposition the risk is baked into the price (or draft stock in this example). If the risk is too high more proven players should be drafted ahead of the riskier ones. If Oubre had proven himself he'd be a top 5 pick instead of a late lotto guy... The risk just has to be worth the reward with where you are drafting him.

Proven seniors have flamed out as high lotto picks... More proven players slide to the end of the draft and then turn into gems. It is all speculation and I doubt major reform would change that all that much.

Plus we live in Merica' people... Take that have to wait to make money commi **** out of here.
 
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