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Once, traveling by horse and buggy, Brigham Young found the road a little too long. It went around a field to get to the house on the other side.

So he told his little entourage it was time for another road, and drove his buggy across the field.
 
Brigham Young had less charisma but more leadership than Joseph Smith. He could stand up in conference. . . the ultimate mother of all church meetings I suppose. . . . and announce that a new settlement was needed, say somewhere over ten horizons in some intractable desert with a river running through it, and ask for volunteers. . . . and my great grandpa jumped right up be the first volunteer. . . . ggpa was a sailor who had never seen a desert. . . . well, unless you wanna call the plains or Wyoming a desert. . . .nothing like the Southwest. . . .

The settlement was needed to raise cotton because with the Civil War in the news, the supply of cotton was uncertain, and the need for cloth was real. ggpa was not a farmer, had never planted cotton or worked with it. He did know how to raise grapes and make wine, though. His grapevines are still going strong.

Turned out, they couldn't even get the wagons into "Dixie" without ropes and somebody who knew how to hoist big stuff over cliffs. Everyday work for a sailor.
 
babe said:
Brigham Young had less charisma but more leadership than Joseph Smith. He could stand up in conference. . . the ultimate mother of all church meetings I suppose. . . . and announce that a new settlement was needed, say somewhere over ten horizons in some intractable desert with a river running through it, and ask for volunteers. . . . and my great grandpa jumped right up be the first volunteer. . . . ggpa was a sailor who had never seen a desert. . . . well, unless you wanna call the plains or Wyoming a desert. . . .nothing like the Southwest. . . .

The settlement was needed to raise cotton because with the Civil War in the news, the supply of cotton was uncertain, and the need for cloth was real. ggpa was not a farmer, had never planted cotton or worked with it. He did know how to raise grapes and make wine, though. His grapevines are still going strong.

Turned out, they couldn't even get the wagons into "Dixie" without ropes and somebody who knew how to hoist big stuff over cliffs. Everyday work for a sailor.
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Brigham Young lived up to his promise. "Dixie" was Hell, and the Mormons did irrigate it.
 
another way of measuring "human liberty" would involve historical observations. . . .like a specific time and place where people achieved some concession from some authority. . . .
 
well, without it just being a matter of necessity for the "authority" to recognize it. . . . because there was actually no "power" to enforce something. . . .
 
Exhaustive List of "Human Rights". . . . .

Question: Is it what the government declares and specifically defines?

Are they what some "court" rules or establishes as administrative policy. . . . say like visitation rights to your children in a divorce decree?
 
How would you go about claiming rights the government does not recognize, and protect?

Enter Mahatma Gandhi. . . . . , or, say. . . . . . Patrick Henry. . . .
 
No, it's not the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution that started this ball rolling. . . . it was the British:

[video]https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/videos/what-is-magna-carta
 
babe said:
No, it's not the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution that started this ball rolling. . . . it was the British:

[video]https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/videos/what-is-magna-carta
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Live a day, learn a thing or two. . . .

Listening to some links on the Magna Carta, it seems that the English Kings prior to William the Conqueror and the Norman Conquest were subject to some established laws or rules. A King had to be "acclaimed" by popular support, and had to promise to maintain the established patterns, laws and to respect the people and do good things for them. . . . well, prinicipally as adjudicated by the feudal Lords or barons.
 
nightmare3983 said:
I haven't posted in this thread much of late, but I'm happy to see that it's gotten to 350 pages. I have hopes of it truly becoming the longest thread ever one day.
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I think it will but it certainly is taking longer than it should. We need more participants and a wider range of topics thats for sure... lol...


Also I'll be on holiday soon I'm thinking of using this thread as a traveling journal or a diary of sort just to spice things up a bit :)
 
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