Do we have it?
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Sexual Favors
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We need a go-to scorer. Could be Burks, but his D will have to improve to hold down the starting gig, and his 3 pter will need to continue to improve (really impressive on catch and shoots this year). As impressive as Hayward has been, I'm just not sure that he's enough. In the 19 games Hayward has played in post-Kanter he's had 6 games where he shot sub 40%, with 4 of those being in the 20% fg realm.
If Burks isn't that dude, we need a really good 3 & D. Someone who can't be left on offense, but won't hurt us on defense. Need to see more Hood, but he could be that guy.
Either or and we're well on our way.
If Burks isn't that dude, we need a really good 3 & D. Someone who can't be left on offense, but won't hurt us on defense. Need to see more Hood, but he could be that guy.
Either or and we're well on our way.
green
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This.
If Exum becomes an all star, we compete for titles. If he doesn't, we have the same success as the DWill/Boozer era.
Jazz need a 3rd big (tomic?) and another wing. Depending on who they get for the wing, then could go a lot of different ways.
I like Exum/hood/hayward/favors/Rudy. If they got a SG, they would need hood to come off the bench to play SF. If they get a good 3 & D guy (Winslow, Johnson, Carrolle) then I think you start Hayward at SG and bring Hood off the bench to play SF also.
I personally want to get Winslow. Would love to have a 6'6" PG, 6'8" sg, 6'8" big bodied SF, 6'10" PF, and 7'2" C who are all above average defensively. If Hayward is your weak link defensively, then you have a pretty strong defense. Burke, Burks, Hood, Tomic is a pretty good bench. Winslow could even play some PF on the second team to get more minutes. Don't really need more than 9 guys getting regular minutes.
I like Exum/hood/hayward/favors/Rudy. If they got a SG, they would need hood to come off the bench to play SF. If they get a good 3 & D guy (Winslow, Johnson, Carrolle) then I think you start Hayward at SG and bring Hood off the bench to play SF also.
I personally want to get Winslow. Would love to have a 6'6" PG, 6'8" sg, 6'8" big bodied SF, 6'10" PF, and 7'2" C who are all above average defensively. If Hayward is your weak link defensively, then you have a pretty strong defense. Burke, Burks, Hood, Tomic is a pretty good bench. Winslow could even play some PF on the second team to get more minutes. Don't really need more than 9 guys getting regular minutes.
Hotdog
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Maybe...
I'm comfortable with what we have and our chances. Our defense is top notch, and that can carry us pretty far. Hayward is more of a go to scorer than anyone thought would be.
I used to love Burks, now I'm not so sure about him. His defense is pretty bad. He might not fit when he comes back, and might screw up the chemistry we have going. Heck, adding anyone might mess this up. So, we may need to move Burks.
Exum will suffice because his defense is good and fits what we are doing. I don't see the star we were hoping for, but he can serve a purpose, and his offense will improve to be good enough.
Favors, Hayward, and Gobert are the three main cogs, and are good enough to take us pretty far. We don't necessarily need a big time offensive player anymore because of how stout our defense has become.
There are only a few players I'd like to add to the mix that are available, and that's Butler, Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Kris Middleton and maybe DannyGreen. But we know they are all highly unlikely besides Danny.
Other than a big name like one of those guys, there really isn't much else to add besides another really tall guy, because Booker might not cut it in certain situations when Gobert and Favors are sitting out. And we need more big man depth.
I like Burke off the bench. He's been nice in that role.
Keep Millsap for a specialty defensive player.
Hopefully Hood can stay healthy. He's a legit shooter.
As far as who we draft, it's probably not going to make much of a difference for a few years anyways. I like Super Mario with that pick.
I'm comfortable with what we have and our chances. Our defense is top notch, and that can carry us pretty far. Hayward is more of a go to scorer than anyone thought would be.
I used to love Burks, now I'm not so sure about him. His defense is pretty bad. He might not fit when he comes back, and might screw up the chemistry we have going. Heck, adding anyone might mess this up. So, we may need to move Burks.
Exum will suffice because his defense is good and fits what we are doing. I don't see the star we were hoping for, but he can serve a purpose, and his offense will improve to be good enough.
Favors, Hayward, and Gobert are the three main cogs, and are good enough to take us pretty far. We don't necessarily need a big time offensive player anymore because of how stout our defense has become.
There are only a few players I'd like to add to the mix that are available, and that's Butler, Draymond Green, Kawhi Leonard, Kris Middleton and maybe DannyGreen. But we know they are all highly unlikely besides Danny.
Other than a big name like one of those guys, there really isn't much else to add besides another really tall guy, because Booker might not cut it in certain situations when Gobert and Favors are sitting out. And we need more big man depth.
I like Burke off the bench. He's been nice in that role.
Keep Millsap for a specialty defensive player.
Hopefully Hood can stay healthy. He's a legit shooter.
As far as who we draft, it's probably not going to make much of a difference for a few years anyways. I like Super Mario with that pick.
Exum/Burke
Burks/Hood/rookie/Milsap
Hayward/Ingles/rookie/Chris Johnson
Favors/Booker/Cooley/Jerrett
Gobert/Tomic
Roster looks let to me. I guess if we could land a good FA wing that would bump Ingles/Burks/Hood down on the depth chart.
Burks/Hood/rookie/Milsap
Hayward/Ingles/rookie/Chris Johnson
Favors/Booker/Cooley/Jerrett
Gobert/Tomic
Roster looks let to me. I guess if we could land a good FA wing that would bump Ingles/Burks/Hood down on the depth chart.
Dumb Bloke
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How can we talk about defense with Hayward at the 3? He's not a three hes a defensive stopper at 2 like Dante is a stopper at 1 not 2. Could you imagine Dante trying to stop Hayward? Not happening.
Dude if we want a defensive identity we need to try another stretch 3. Something like Luol Deng with a shot. Heck Id even take AI with his broken shot because I believe in this team and I believe defense wins championships.
I also believe Quinn could figure out how to use a no shooting player but playmaker like Iggy or Deng even if they have to play with Gobert and Favors. Quinn will make it work and if he doesn't the defense will spare us anyway.
Dont talk defense with Hayward at 3. Its ugly mate.
Doublea
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Uh you mean the elite defense we have been playing in February and March with Hayward at the 3?
Dumb Bloke
Banned
Golden state. Loss
Minnesota
Portland
Denver
OKC
Minessota again
Denver again
It has nothing to do with Gobert, Favors, Exum and everything to do with Hayward. Those teams all have elite small forwards.
karl malone
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I think it comes down to 2 things:
1. Does Exum become a starting caliber PG?
2. Do 1 of Exum, Burks, Hayward, or Hood become a a legitimate #1 scoring option?
I would be very surprised if Exum doesn't become a starting caliber PG (at the very minimum), even if it takes a couple of years for that to happen. The x-factor is if Exum develops into a full fledged star. If he does, then we may just be able to get by without having a true #1 scoring option (assuming that Exum becomes a star based on his defense, passing, & solid but not elite offense), due to the fact that Hayward has proven himself as a reliable #2 option, while both Burks & Hood have that type of offensive potential (& even Favors could become a #3 type offensive option on a championship caliber team). Like others have already said, a lot of this comes down to what type of player Exum becomes (especially on the offensive side of the ball).
If Exum becomes an offensive threat, then we may be able to become an offense by committee type of team that is good enough to get by when we combine that with an elite defense. If he doesn't, then I think we would still be short a go-to-scorer (which I don't foresee any of those players becoming). Just to be sure, I think we should do everything possible (outside of trading our core) to add a player with that type of offensive potential, to go along with the players you have listed (although I think we could do without Burke at this point).
1. Does Exum become a starting caliber PG?
2. Do 1 of Exum, Burks, Hayward, or Hood become a a legitimate #1 scoring option?
I would be very surprised if Exum doesn't become a starting caliber PG (at the very minimum), even if it takes a couple of years for that to happen. The x-factor is if Exum develops into a full fledged star. If he does, then we may just be able to get by without having a true #1 scoring option (assuming that Exum becomes a star based on his defense, passing, & solid but not elite offense), due to the fact that Hayward has proven himself as a reliable #2 option, while both Burks & Hood have that type of offensive potential (& even Favors could become a #3 type offensive option on a championship caliber team). Like others have already said, a lot of this comes down to what type of player Exum becomes (especially on the offensive side of the ball).
If Exum becomes an offensive threat, then we may be able to become an offense by committee type of team that is good enough to get by when we combine that with an elite defense. If he doesn't, then I think we would still be short a go-to-scorer (which I don't foresee any of those players becoming). Just to be sure, I think we should do everything possible (outside of trading our core) to add a player with that type of offensive potential, to go along with the players you have listed (although I think we could do without Burke at this point).
It was debatable last season where Hayward should go 2 or 3. He is now a three who can play some at the 2. Defensively and Offensively he has has turned himself into a 3.
I think Hayward has proven that he can be a #1 scoring option for this team. I think we need another reliable player on offense at either the 2 or the 3. I think Hood or Burks or both of them will be next season.
green
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A #1 scoring option on a title contending team is scoring 23+ per night.
We have two potential options:
Favors or Exum.
framer
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There is no way that Hayward can add 3 more points a night if some of the distribution is absorbed by Exum? If Favors continues his development, Rudy learns even 1 or two post moves, and Exum actually becomes a threat do drive the ball, Hayward will have the extra room to get the three points. Hell, if we ever got to the point where the refs would call obvious fouls committed on Hayward he would add at least 3 more free throws a game. . .
freakazoid
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I've wondered the same thing, but I've been wanting to give our staff the benefit of the doubt, since allowing him to play hurt at this point would be ****ing stupid.