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Obama might be the best President in 100 years.

The Thriller said:
Killing Osama, you know, that guy behind 9/11 wasn't good enough for you?
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Lost all credibility with this statement. If you really think the entire operation was just sitting on their hands for almost a decade until Obama said "hey guys here's a great idea, let's go kill bin Laden" and then they were like "omg you're so smart why the hell didn't we think of that. You're better than Jesus Obama!" then you are truly a moron of epic proportions.
 
As a middle class bum I feel like he has made my life more difficult. He has put the lower classes burdens on my shoulders and its dragging the middle class down. I can respect he's trying to make things better but failing in his attempts.
 
The Thriller said:
Seriously?

Killing Osama, you know, that guy behind 9/11 wasn't good enough for you?

Seriously? Are you not entertained?

Oh, and then that whole like not starting WWIII with Russia? Oh and peace with Iran. And now opening things up with our Central and South American neighbors.

Personally, I think a quiet foreign policy demonstrates how great his foreign policy has been. Wars may grab headlines but they typically demonstrate a failure of foreign policy. Shock and Awe wasn't a demonstration of Bush's strengths but weaknesses in foreign policy. War should always be the last, not first resort.

Btw, which allies are you talking about? I haven't seen France or Germany complain about our foreign policy. The Israeli joke is the Cheney/Bush of Israel. He's a nutjob. If he agreed w/our foreign policy I'd be concerned.
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Of couuurse, how could we leave out Obama having killed Osama single handed, then deciding to throw his body in the ocean because you know, who would want actual graphic proof that he was killed! Not to mention that I don't believe for a single moment that Al-Qaeda is the organization that was behind 9/11. The thread title is quite a stretch imo, maybe the only thing I might have liked from him was his decision to lift the embargo from Cuba. I was pleasantly surprised about this.

JFK says hello. Yeah the guy that actually fought back against the FED and got erased from the picture because of it, same with Jefferson. The 1st President to eradicate the Federal Reserve will be on my top 5 for years to come.
 
It can take decades for any kind of consensus to form about a president's legacy. That said, Obama will never surpass FDR as best in a century (Lincoln, Washington, and FDR are a pretty solid top three presidents in history) nor can he come anywhere close to Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, or James Buchanan as among the worst.

A safe guess is that Obama will probably be somewhere above average or slightly below depending on how his achievements pan out over the long term. For example, in ten or twenty years will Obamacare be modified and improved upon to the point where it's as entrenched as Medicare, or will it be sliced and diced into something unrecognizable?

Historians and presidential scholars with eventually have their say but that's never good enough or soon enough, it's too much fun trying to predict the future through our own twisted prisms of ideology.
 
Gameface said:
But Obama is doing what I really hoped our president would do following Bush and his war hawk ways. He is building bridges with our former foes and in the process improving the quality of life for millions and millions of people. They may not count as full humans to many of us because they're not 'muricans, but all the same, regular folks doing their best to live their lives will have fewer obstacles and at no cost to us other than to stop harming them to make a point about how we feel about their governments.
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he is building bridges by anycost.
bending over backwards in deals with foes.
thats not a deal.
in a deal both parties walk away feeling kinda chetaed.

well guess what iran is happy with the deal while obama is bending over taking it without vaseline.

he is a weak female car
 
DutchJazzer said:
he is building bridges by anycost.
bending over backwards in deals with foes.
thats not a deal.
in a deal both parties walk away feeling kinda chetaed.

well guess what iran is happy with the deal while obama is bending over taking it without vaseline.

he is a weak female car
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What does the U.S. deserve if we were to be honest and stop calling Cuba a state sponsor of terrorism? We deserve a reward to stop lying?
 
Gameface said:
What does the U.S. deserve if we were to be honest and stop calling Cuba a state sponsor of terrorism? We deserve a reward to stop lying?
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you can make peace with anyone. if you just giv into their demands.

is that peace?
really is that peace. no its like this new age parenting. where you just give into all demands of spoiled brats.

that is not good parenting. sure the kids will be happy. but thats not good parenting.
thats new age crap.


this deal sucks obama knows nothing about the middleeast.

heck he was joking about russia. had no clue russia was a geopolitical threaat.
instead of arguing like an adult about it. he made some offhand joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZBm0216FKk
a joke of epic failure. PEOPLE DIED due to the rusia conflict. as a president you should not make jokes.
he is litterally ****ting in the faces of all the dead people who died. people laughing cus of serious ****.


**** obama and his foreign policy.

hope mossad assassinates this dangerous monkey in a suit(i know it sounds racist but it is not, bush was also called a monkey in a suit).
he is almost as dangerous as hitler
 
obama also lacks the basic knowledge of how the three branches of government work.
or he is explicitly ignoring it which does not make him any different that hitler, castro or supreme leader dickhead of iran, in that regard


how can he be the best president if he does not grasp or abide by the simple principle of 3 "branches of government". thats just an imposible.
cant even consider him a president
 
DutchJazzer said:
obama also lacks the basic knowledge of how the three branches of government work.
or he is explicitly ignoring it which does not make him any different that hitler, castro or supreme leader dickhead of iran, in that regard


how can he be the best president if he does not grasp or abide by the simple principle of 3 "branches of government". thats just an imposible.
cant even consider him a president
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That's some funny **** right there.
 
If I could take you seriously I'd waste a little of my time responding.
 
Gameface said:
What does the U.S. deserve if we were to be honest and stop calling Cuba a state sponsor of terrorism? We deserve a reward to stop lying?
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This is one area I tend to agree with Obama on foreign policy. Ostracizing Cuba has not worked like they wanted. Regime change didn't happen. Time to move on, its been 50+ years.
 
Stoked said:
This is one area I tend to agree with Obama on foreign policy. Ostracizing Cuba has not worked like they wanted. Regime change didn't happen. Time to move on, its been 50+ years.
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But let's say we still want to pursue our previous strategy. Just because we want regime change does that make it okay to falsely label Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism. They aren't. We lied and it has hurt ordinary Cubans. I don't think we need to get anything out of this deal. We just need to be honest.
 
Gameface said:
But let's say we still want to pursue our previous strategy. Just because we want regime change does that make it okay to falsely label Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism. They aren't. We lied and it has hurt ordinary Cubans. I don't think we need to get anything out of this deal. We just need to be honest.
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Oh I agree. I was just stating that they didn't even get what they wanted with verything they did. So yes they lied but didn't even get what they wanted with that lie.

Long past time to normalize relations. We deal with nations like China all the time.
 
On the things that mattered, Obama failed miserably. He's such a charismatic, intelligent dude but on the financial stuff, he just listened to the smartest guys in the room.
 
Stoked said:
Oh I agree. I was just stating that they didn't even get what they wanted with verything they did. So yes they lied but didn't even get what they wanted with that lie.

Long past time to normalize relations. We deal with nations like China all the time.
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China isn't actually "Marxist", while Cuba still is. In China, even during Maoist times, Confucius was the ultimate sage who guided the real decisions. Cuba is practically the only real "Statist" communist country left. China today is effectively operating under an Emperor dynasty once again. . . . Much more complex in structure, with thousands of "courtesan attendants" and economic warlord supporters, than the Fidel/Raoul dictatorship. . . . Well, I'd probably have lifted the embargo myself forty years ago. Nothing could undermine a dictator more than a generation of his youngsters going to Disneyworld.

But I have no respect for Obama because he is ideologically a Marxist, though pliable to moneyed interests who consider their influence in government a sort of "leveraged buyout" of our country.

In short, if he really believes his ideology, he's a sellout. Or maybe just an ordinary fool. Before I'd give him any credit for "intelligence" I'd take a close look at the people who are standing around in his photo-ops, speeches, and maybe check the visitor log to the Oval Office or something. . . . Lot's of smart people around who know how to work his strings.
 
Gameface said:
If I could take you seriously I'd waste a little of my time responding.
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Technically this is a response. So does this mean you take him technically seriously?

:)
 
DutchJazzer said:
obama is not inteligent. only thing his brain is good for is absorbing a bullet
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See, your opinion doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, not because I don't approve of it, but because it wouldn't matter who was the President of the US, you'd still call them every filthy name in the book.

babe said:
But I have no respect for Obama because he is ideologically a Marxist, though pliable to moneyed interests who consider their influence in government a sort of "leveraged buyout" of our country.

In short, if he really believes his ideology, he's a sellout. Or maybe just an ordinary fool. Before I'd give him any credit for "intelligence" I'd take a close look at the people who are standing around in his photo-ops, speeches, and maybe check the visitor log to the Oval Office or something. . . . Lot's of smart people around who know how to work his strings.
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So, he's a Marxist when he does something you don't agree with, but when he makes a smart move it was someone else's idea?
 
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