Obama might be the best President in 100 years.

[babe]

See, your opinion doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, not because I don't approve of it, but because it wouldn't matter who was the President of the US, you'd still call them every filthy name in the book.



So, he's a Marxist when he does something you don't agree with, but when he makes a smart move it was someone else's idea?

So, are you an idiot, or do you just not understand plain talk? I said he's a sellout Marxist, that he is corrupted by money and power. He still thinks he's a Marxist or a Progressive or something, working for Hope and Change and all that, of course. . . . perhaps. . . . but maybe he is just dumb enough to be confused about what Marx said on some points.

Most Marxists are completely comfortable with assiduously lying about everything to everybody, if they think it serves "The Cause", but in that they are no different from the crony capitalists or bourgeoise folks, in my estimation.

I believe Karl Marx was a paid stooge for British elitists who were concerned with the events in the American Colonies in the decades leading up to the American Revolution, and the French Revolution, and all the failed efforts to reassert control in the decades after. Some intelligent Brit oligarch saw some possibilities in a sort of puppet play with a controlled advocate of "the people" on the stage. And even today, there are some very wealthy "robber baron" capitalists who have seen the possibilities of a welfare state empowered to keep their WalMart checkout lanes filled with mindless devotees to the general idea of voting for more payola.

I see large trends of correspondence with the medieval feudal societies of Europe, and note that the once-robust Union Movement has been co-opted to serve a set of politicians who are steadily reducing the American middle class in favor or a larger dependent class of "democratic" or "progressive" voters who are actually uninformed politically beyond the bare essential notion of voting for more and more little programs that will keep them marginally patronizing the sort of conspicuous consumption WalMart serves. . . . you know, a lot of fluffy toy animals, a few veggies, a whole lot of cheaply-made impulse buys. . . .

Meanwhile, the resources of the land are increasingly unavailable to ordinary small-time users, while big commodity cartels can get access through their batteries of legal counselors to anything they want. . . . . .uhmmm. . . . at present they mostly want good prices for what they have access to already. . . .. nothing like scarcities and shortages of their wares for bringing out their smiles and such.

I suppose a lot of folks might love the idea of a future of equality, ordered by a government that claims to be serving the little folks, and such. In the case of Marxism, the formulaic progress towards the "dictatorship of the proletariat" has generally been misdirected. I had a devoted Marxist friend once who used to bewail the "State Capitalists" who had subverted his cause in Russia, China, and Cuba. He was a close reader of Marx. I even read Das Kapital myself.

But the present reality is that progressives, as they wish to be known, or traditional Marxists, are mere puppets in the hands of a global "New World Order" fascism, very tightly controlled, as Obama is, by the very few significant power brokers on our political stage. David Rockefeller is largely influential in this country, and has a number of organizations well-endowed to push the ideal he seeks.

reduction of global population, and an increasingly servile liege class living on more meager rations in little city-corrals of urban populations scattered among increasingly large expanses of wilderness, under watchful camera eyes linked to supercomputers of all kinds, with huge data centers capable of keeping minute-to-minute tabs on any person of concern, with the little people polarized on a hundred issues bickering with and betraying one another over minutia of personal concerns. . . .. I could go on, but hey, why. Nobody cares.

The idea of every person being equal under the law, with equal opportunity, based on personal industry and personal values is something only a few politicians will extoll, and mostly it's a vacuous sort of rhetoric nobody really understands anymore. . . .

What that idiot Marx never realized is that any "dictatorship", particularly one based on lies, is not ever going to do the little people any good. What morons like Obama really won't ever understand, is that anyone who will seek to be a honcho in this world is going to forever be licking or polishing someone else's boots. Well, there have been a few excellent swordsmen/horsemen who have created great empires, but they never had the ability to make them outlast themselves. So, yah, you can achieve power by killing millions and millions of people, too. And I guess I have to doff my cap for Obama on that, too, what with the long-term effects of Obamacare on the horizon. Rationed care. No care.

But there is hope. In Great Britain there is an emerging new enterprise that is popular and earning a lot of money for its promoters. Dental Kits. Yes, do-it-yourself dentistry has risen from the forgotten muck of medieval thatched huts. . . No need to wait six months to see the dentist anymore, you can pull your own rotten tooth. And go out to show your neighbors your gummy grin. . . . .
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-britons-doing-own-fillings-to-avoid-nhs-bill

 

[babe]

obama is not inteligent. only thing his brain is good for is absorbing a bullet

I think this comment is offensive and not up to the standards of this forum.

Obama is pretty smart, obviously, considering he out-maneuvered a hundred thousand other community organizers and got the nod to be President. Maybe smarter than me, in some ways. . . . .well, maybe a lot of ways. I'm sure even Dutch is smarter than me. Any idiot can speak the truth, it takes intelligence to know when not to. . . .

that said, it is my vain ambition that one or two epicurean JazzFanzers will make a personal decision to become productive as members of society in some meaningful way that will increase the rising tide of political discussion in this country and edge us away from some of the unwholesome trends I sometimes deplore. . . . because a human mind is something we should really not waste. And, no, we don't want to be shooting it up.

I'm pretty certain that if a real return of our founding American principles was the winning ticket in American politics today, he would be out in front leading the way.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I think this comment is offensive and not up to the standards of this forum.

obama is committing treason.
treason means a death sentence.

how is it offensive? it is the LAW!

 

[babe]

obama is committing treason.
treason means a death sentence.

how is it offensive? it is the LAW!

We're not like the Brits at all. In Britain you get hung or beheaded for anything the Queen calls Treason. But in America, nobody knows what Treason means. Aside from a few spies working for another country, on some issue like say stealing nuke secrets and handing them over to the Russians, I'm not sure we've bothered with the idea of Treason much.

Let's put it this way, we've always protected political speech generally, until recently. We ignore people who cry "Treason" pretty consistently. In America, you can dream about whatever kind of "America" you want. If you want a new Constitution, it's not Treason. If you want to smoke weed, it's not Treason either, but you'd get a better day in court if someone tried to call it Treason.

Pretty clear you know nothing about America. We can call communists, even Mormons, "American". And aside from the Bible-belt religious folks, most Americans don't even believe Mormons have horns or bifurcated tails and cloven feet.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I felt the same way about Clinton. He departed with an approval rating of 68%, the highest in a long time. He had an economical surplus. This all awhile banging mad bitches. He is my role model.

Are you accusing him of sleeping with Hillary? I highly doubt that happened.

 

[Deleted member 848]

So, are you an idiot, or do you just not understand plain talk? I said he's a sellout Marxist, that he is corrupted by money and power. He still thinks he's a Marxist or a Progressive or something, working for Hope and Change and all that, of course. . . . perhaps. . . . but maybe he is just dumb enough to be confused about what Marx said on some points.

Most Marxists are completely comfortable with assiduously lying about everything to everybody, if they think it serves "The Cause", but in that they are no different from the crony capitalists or bourgeoise folks, in my estimation.

I believe Karl Marx was a paid stooge for British elitists who were concerned with the events in the American Colonies in the decades leading up to the American Revolution, and the French Revolution, and all the failed efforts to reassert control in the decades after. Some intelligent Brit oligarch saw some possibilities in a sort of puppet play with a controlled advocate of "the people" on the stage. And even today, there are some very wealthy "robber baron" capitalists who have seen the possibilities of a welfare state empowered to keep their WalMart checkout lanes filled with mindless devotees to the general idea of voting for more payola.

I see large trends of correspondence with the medieval feudal societies of Europe, and note that the once-robust Union Movement has been co-opted to serve a set of politicians who are steadily reducing the American middle class in favor or a larger dependent class of "democratic" or "progressive" voters who are actually uninformed politically beyond the bare essential notion of voting for more and more little programs that will keep them marginally patronizing the sort of conspicuous consumption WalMart serves. . . . you know, a lot of fluffy toy animals, a few veggies, a whole lot of cheaply-made impulse buys. . . .

Meanwhile, the resources of the land are increasingly unavailable to ordinary small-time users, while big commodity cartels can get access through their batteries of legal counselors to anything they want. . . . . .uhmmm. . . . at present they mostly want good prices for what they have access to already. . . .. nothing like scarcities and shortages of their wares for bringing out their smiles and such.

I suppose a lot of folks might love the idea of a future of equality, ordered by a government that claims to be serving the little folks, and such. In the case of Marxism, the formulaic progress towards the "dictatorship of the proletariat" has generally been misdirected. I had a devoted Marxist friend once who used to bewail the "State Capitalists" who had subverted his cause in Russia, China, and Cuba. He was a close reader of Marx. I even read Das Kapital myself.

But the present reality is that progressives, as they wish to be known, or traditional Marxists, are mere puppets in the hands of a global "New World Order" fascism, very tightly controlled, as Obama is, by the very few significant power brokers on our political stage. David Rockefeller is largely influential in this country, and has a number of organizations well-endowed to push the ideal he seeks.

reduction of global population, and an increasingly servile liege class living on more meager rations in little city-corrals of urban populations scattered among increasingly large expanses of wilderness, under watchful camera eyes linked to supercomputers of all kinds, with huge data centers capable of keeping minute-to-minute tabs on any person of concern, with the little people polarized on a hundred issues bickering with and betraying one another over minutia of personal concerns. . . .. I could go on, but hey, why. Nobody cares.

The idea of every person being equal under the law, with equal opportunity, based on personal industry and personal values is something only a few politicians will extoll, and mostly it's a vacuous sort of rhetoric nobody really understands anymore. . . .

What that idiot Marx never realized is that any "dictatorship", particularly one based on lies, is not ever going to do the little people any good. What morons like Obama really won't ever understand, is that anyone who will seek to be a honcho in this world is going to forever be licking or polishing someone else's boots. Well, there have been a few excellent swordsmen/horsemen who have created great empires, but they never had the ability to make them outlast themselves. So, yah, you can achieve power by killing millions and millions of people, too. And I guess I have to doff my cap for Obama on that, too, what with the long-term effects of Obamacare on the horizon. Rationed care. No care.

But there is hope. In Great Britain there is an emerging new enterprise that is popular and earning a lot of money for its promoters. Dental Kits. Yes, do-it-yourself dentistry has risen from the forgotten muck of medieval thatched huts. . . No need to wait six months to see the dentist anymore, you can pull your own rotten tooth. And go out to show your neighbors your gummy grin. . . . .
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-britons-doing-own-fillings-to-avoid-nhs-bill

Calling Obama and Marx idiots and morons is more telling of you intelligence than it is of theirs. It casts a veil of childishness through your long-winded, tautological post.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm pretty certain that if a real return of our founding American principles was the winning ticket in American politics today, he would be out in front leading the way.

American founding principles is taking the best of what is working for every nation in this world at the given point in time, and implementing it into their constitution. It's what they did in the 18th century. As times change, America needs to maintain this principle of a restless desire to improve-- and not succumb to the pride of maintaining what it arbitrarily deems "American principles", causing the nation to fall behind in the process.

If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they would do what they did back then: take Iceland's gender-equality, Germany's (or Japan's) health-care system, Norway's natural resource management, etc.

 

[babe]

Calling Obama and Marx idiots and morons is more telling of you intelligence than it is of theirs. It casts a veil of childishness through your long-winded, tautological post.

The reason I say Obama and Marx are idiots and morons, in the sense which I used those terms, is because they lack self-awareness, self-criticism, or humility as a character of mind, in favor of their chosen belief systems, which any reasonably good objectivist scientist would recognize as nonsense, or at least as purely political rhetoric.

What that idiot Marx never realized is that any "dictatorship", particularly one based on lies, is not ever going to do the little people any good. What morons like Obama really won't ever understand, is that anyone who will seek to be a honcho in this world is going to forever be licking or polishing someone else's boots.

tautology, in logic, a statement so framed that it cannot be denied without inconsistency.

https://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/584431/tautology



An ideologue is practically the inverse of a good scientist. A good scientist will treat a theory or proposition as something whose value must be tested objectively or demonstrated under reproducible conditions or terms. An ideologue is someone who believes a theory or proposition because "it makes sense" rhetorically regardless of evidence or demonstration. Most religions have a high index of "ideology", most political beliefs as well.

The economic ideals of Obama and Marx will not lead to prosperity of any lasting sort. Marx fails because people in a commune lose initiative/incentive and must pay too much attention to political apprehensions of the managers; Obama's programs will fail for essentially the same reasons.

"Communism" or collective centralized economic planning has failed repeatedly. The Puritans tried it at Plymouth, and gave it up because nobody worked the communal gardens. They starved,and by the second year were forced to allow each family to have its own garden. Russian and China have turned largely to market-decision economics, a sort of modified free enterprise. State-managed healthcare systems around the world are failing, as ours is. People just make better decisions when they get to make their own choices. Private property is better-managed property for the same reasons. Of course, there are idiots in every case who fail, but with freedom we don't have to let someone else be the idiot who ruins us.

So, Dal, why do those Brits have to turn to DIY dentistry? Because any top-down managed system draws idiots into its management like raw meat draws flies.

Well. . . . the ghost of Ambrose Bierce is visiting me. Of course terms like "idiot" are reflexive, in the sense that any two different people will each likely consider the other to be one. Let's just put it this way, when you have one decision maker forcing ten thousand people to do things his way, you will most likely have 9,999 opinions that that manager who made that decision is an idiot. Pretty much going to be the verdict on Marx and Obama, statistically-speaking.

 

[babe]

American founding principles is taking the best of what is working for every nation in this world at the given point in time, and implementing it into their constitution. It's what they did in the 18th century. As times change, America needs to maintain this principle of a restless desire to improve-- and not succumb to the pride of maintaining what it arbitrarily deems "American principles", causing the nation to fall behind in the process.

If the Founding Fathers were alive today, they would do what they did back then: take Iceland's gender-equality, Germany's (or Japan's) health-care system, Norway's natural resource management, etc.

Maybe. Who knows.

They were in some very significant ways different from you, or from Obama, or from Marx, generally, although they differed on many particulars amongst themselves.

It doesn't matter to my assertion very much. They had suffered from an oppressive government and were of a mind to try to fashion a government that might not become oppressive again. The programs you laud are as a category central planned and fashioned on ideological terms our Founders would have rejected, in my opinion, in favor of having a government that did not involve itself in managing society, or resources from a Federal or national level. Having seen a lot of that under British management, they were of a mind to step out of the ring and let people assert their own values, even to extent of electing their own government and fashioning their own laws. It is a different concept than having government manage people.

Government of the people, by the people, and for the people had a vague sense of belonging to, and being accountable to, and managed by, and serving the interests of the existing folks on the ground, so to speak, as opposed to some pipe dream populace to be engineered and developed according to some higher intelligence in the minds of social planners.

I like freedom. I am probably not going to think you've got a better idea.

 

[DutchJazzer]

We're not like the Brits at all. In Britain you get hung or beheaded for anything the Queen calls Treason. But in America, nobody knows what Treason means. Aside from a few spies working for another country, on some issue like say stealing nuke secrets and handing them over to the Russians, I'm not sure we've bothered with the idea of Treason much.

Let's put it this way, we've always protected political speech generally, until recently. We ignore people who cry "Treason" pretty consistently. In America, you can dream about whatever kind of "America" you want. If you want a new Constitution, it's not Treason. If you want to smoke weed, it's not Treason either, but you'd get a better day in court if someone tried to call it Treason.

Pretty clear you know nothing about America. We can call communists, even Mormons, "American". And aside from the Bible-belt religious folks, most Americans don't even believe Mormons have horns or bifurcated tails and cloven feet.

treason is pretty simple. going against the constitution.

he is using the constitution to wipe his ***

 

[Deleted member 848]

It doesn't matter to my assertion very much. They had suffered from an oppressive government and were of a mind to try to fashion a government that might not become oppressive again. The programs you laud are as a category central planned and fashioned on ideological terms our Founders would have rejected, in my opinion, in favor of having a government that did not involve itself in managing society, or resources from a Federal or national level. Having seen a lot of that under British management, they were of a mind to step out of the ring and let people assert their own values, even to extent of electing their own government and fashioning their own laws. It is a different concept than having government manage people.

Yes-- and now, having 'seen a lot under American management'-- what their conception of the American government has done for problems such as health, and income inequality (and the hundreds of problems that stem from it), they would reconsider their stance on how their interpretation of the best form of government needs to grow, as America grows one century at a time.

Government of the people, by the people, and for the people had a vague sense of belonging to, and being accountable to, and managed by, and serving the interests of the existing folks on the ground, so to speak, as opposed to some pipe dream populace to be engineered and developed according to some higher intelligence in the minds of social planners.

Your shortcoming here is the belief that the government is 'for the people'-- unfortunately, the current state of affairs in contemporary America is that the government is for some people. This needs to change.

I like freedom. I am probably not going to think you've got a better idea.

Yes, because it has benefitted your circumstances-- unfortunately, there are millions whom it hurts. Unfortunately, many dismiss their qualms as laziness, when really it's a systemic problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The reason I say Obama and Marx are idiots and morons, in the sense which I used those terms, is because they lack self-awareness, self-criticism, or humility as a character of mind, in favor of their chosen belief systems, which any reasonably good objectivist scientist would recognize as nonsense, or at least as purely political rhetoric.

then he says...

I like freedom. I am probably not going to think you've got a better idea.

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Obama's programs will fail for essentially the same reasons.

Wrong-- and its your 'ideologue' nature that is getting in the way of you here. There are many programs being run by a plethora of countries that are FAR more centrally-planned than anything Obama has even attempted to bring to the table-- yet they are more successful than their homologues in the American government. Be objective.

"Communism" or collective centralized economic planning has failed repeatedly. The Puritans tried it at Plymouth, and gave it up because nobody worked the communal gardens. They starved,and by the second year were forced to allow each family to have its own garden. Russian and China have turned largely to market-decision economics, a sort of modified free enterprise. State-managed healthcare systems around the world are failing, as ours is. People just make better decisions when they get to make their own choices. Private property is better-managed property for the same reasons. Of course, there are idiots in every case who fail, but with freedom we don't have to let someone else be the idiot who ruins us.

It's amusing to see you treat a spectrum of left-wing ideologies as 'communism'. Quite black and white-- which, of course, is to be expected from you.. Again, much more agenda-suiting than truth-seeking. Statements as ridiculous as these don't even require any refuting-- it's best to just quote them for posterity, laugh heartily, and move on.

So, Dal, why do those Brits have to turn to DIY dentistry? Because any top-down managed system draws idiots into its management like raw meat draws flies.

I'm sure Americans will be turning to it as well, seeing as 108 million Americans don't have dental care-- and at least 30% of Americans consequently don't receive any dental care whatsoever. I guess those intelligent Brits just beat the Americans to this technology

Well. . . . the ghost of Ambrose Bierce is visiting me. Of course terms like "idiot" are reflexive, in the sense that any two different people will each likely consider the other to be one. Let's just put it this way, when you have one decision maker forcing ten thousand people to do things his way, you will most likely have 9,999 opinions that that manager who made that decision is an idiot. Pretty much going to be the verdict on Marx and Obama, statistically-speaking.

Reflexive, short-sighted, and childish.

 

[babe]

treason is pretty simple. going against the constitution.

he is using the constitution to wipe his ***

If we called that "Treason", we'd have to put a lot of Americans in prison. Hardly any American politician would be innocent. No public school teachers take the Constitution seriously, and everybody believes in a sort of "Living Document" concept about it. Many Americans want a modern feudalism sort of life, living in a shack in the shadow of a modern government castle inhabited by a sort of nobility we have invented. . . . a class system that gives us a conceptually simple sort of life with little personal responsibility. We have our rock stars, our movie stars, our outrageous cool dudes and dudettes who primp and preen themselves at great expense to present a pleasing image of popularity and success and who we can simply emulate and imitate unthinkingly. We have our "Priests" and "Professionals" who can authoritatively tell us whatever we need to know about the universe or in fact anything we encounter in life. We have our politicians who broker themselves as our servants and the servants of our masters, pretending to care about us in much the same way our parents do, while they work for The Man and ferry us around the castle to our sporting events where we can put on our gameface makeup and cheer for our friends, and our parks where we can walk in the woods, provided we stay on the marked trails, and make sure we have supper in the evening, and who "love" us when they drop us off at our school, where the nannies herd us from PlayStation to PlayStation, pretending to teach us. We have never had to actually think or solve a problem. We're good. We have no room for critical thinking, we're happy. We get our education, our degrees, and we import talent from the wastelands and wildernesses of the Third World to do the work, the real work that takes hands and brains, while we sit in Momma's basement and entertain ourselves with sports, social media, and even meaningless intellectual duels with imaginary friends on the 'net, while living on the crumbs that fall from the Castle, and the pinched-out mines of our parent's income, the ever-constricted proceeds of government jobs, government handouts, and downsizing corporate niches. But the Lords of the Castle can still print money, and the hordes of starving masses still gather at our borders and flood in to work for those easily-printed greenbacks, so we're OK. We are particularly OK if we can get one of those government jobs.

There is a troublesome old document from another age, another place and time, with some words on it. We have never read it, and we don't intend to. Anyone who waves it in the air, and reads something from it is just annoying, impertinent, and an *******. The best possible use a President can make of our Constitution is to wipe his *** with it.

No, it's better to round up the crazies who talk about the Constitution and put them in a re-education camp. In any system, there's always a few people who fall through the cracks somehow, and go all wrong in their lives. We are merciful and great people for caring for them.

 

[Jamezz]

Again to me it's about cutting ties with the Federal Reserve. No President is fully in charge for as long as there's a Federal Reserve dictating each and every one of the President's moves. So the title of the thread becomes a little irrelevant imo. We 'killed' the international bank cartels a few times before 1914, when treasonous Woodrow Wilson brought in the Federal Reserve Act which screwed us over again. No President except for JFK has tried to fight it back again. Too scary to do so I guess...

 

[Deleted member 848]

I also enjoy how you left off the latter half of the definition of a tautology

a tautology (from Greek ταὐτός, "the same" and λόγος, "word/idea") is a logical argument constructed in such a way, generally by repeating the same concept or assertion using different phrasing or terminology, that the proposition as stated is logically irrefutable, while obscuring the lack of evidence or valid reasoning supporting the stated conclusion.

 

[Harambe]

So, are you an idiot, or do you just not understand plain talk? I said he's a sellout Marxist, that he is corrupted by money and power. He still thinks he's a Marxist or a Progressive or something, working for Hope and Change and all that, of course. . . . perhaps. . . . but maybe he is just dumb enough to be confused about what Marx said on some points.

*Ahem*

In short, if he really believes his ideology, he's a sellout. Or maybe just an ordinary fool. Before I'd give him any credit for "intelligence" I'd take a close look at the people who are standing around in his photo-ops, speeches, and maybe check the visitor log to the Oval Office or something. . . . Lot's of smart people around who know how to work his strings.

This statement makes the implication you know he has made smart, intelligent moves, but just don't want him to have any credit for them.

Hence, he's a Marxist, unless he makes a intelligent move. Then it's someone else's plan that he's just falling in line with.

There is another possibility... the possibility that deep down you, too, are a marxist.

But that's just Blasphemy. Right?

Or.....



dare I say it..




Racialism?

 

[babe]

then he says...




----------------------------------------






Wrong-- and its your 'ideologue' nature that is getting in the way of you here. There are many programs being run by a plethora of countries that are FAR more centrally-planned than anything Obama has even attempted to bring to the table-- yet they are more successful than their homologues in the American government. Be objective.



It's amusing to see you treat a spectrum of left-wing ideologies as 'communism'. Quite black and white-- which, of course, is to be expected from you.. Again, much more agenda-suiting than truth-seeking. Statements as ridiculous as these don't even require any refuting-- it's best to just quote them for posterity, laugh heartily, and move on.




I'm sure Americans will be turning to it as well, seeing as 108 million Americans don't have dental care-- and at least 30% of Americans consequently don't receive any dental care whatsoever. I guess those intelligent Brits just beat the Americans to this technology



Reflexive, short-sighted, and childish.

Why is it important to you to play this game? You are an intelligent person, no doubt.

I'm taking it you esteem Karl Marx with some reverence, and that your faked respect for the American experiment with a concept called "freedom" being placed in counterweight to the necessary functions of government in such a way that it reflects a design to limit the ambitions and excesses of tyrants completely misses the essential point.

So call me childish, and go on with your chosen profession somehow. You have serious business to attend to. The business of filling a little niche in a new organized sort of tyranny that professes to have all the answers, to know everything, and aims to do everything in a reasoned, planned manner.

Ignore the fact that you work for corrupt humans with failed programs, and get back to work. Every tyrant or tyrannical system needs a servile class of liege professionals to flesh out its arms of power, it's soldierly ambassadors who enforce the dictates handed down from the Castle.

Every tyranny will reduce the great unwashed masses to a life of peasantry, and if a little man like you or me wants to wear a badge of honor, we just have to sing the songs of praise for whatever government there is.

 

[babe]

*Ahem*


This statement makes the implication you know he has made smart, intelligent moves, but just don't want him to have any credit for them.

Hence, he's a Marxist, unless he makes a intelligent move. Then it's someone else's plan that he's just falling in line with.

There is another possibility... the possibility that deep down you, too, are a marxist.

But that's just Blasphemy. Right?

Or.....



dare I say it..




Racialism?

I don't blame you for having a fascination for Karl Marx. The question is just why you pick him as worthy of your time instead of reading Mein Kampf. They're both big books, and both look equally impressive when you strut around campus, I suppose. Anyone who will spend a lifetime developing a systematic intellectual view of the world can be aped pretty neatly by an unthinking acolyte.

The last refuge of artificial intellect is the ad hominem attack that replaces meaningful discussion on the merits of reason.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't blame you for having a fascination for Karl Marx. The question is just why you pick him as worthy of your time instead of reading Mein Kamf. They're both big books, and both look equally impressive when you strut around campus, I suppose. Anyone who will spend a lifetime developing a systematic intellectual view of the world can be aped pretty neatly by an unthinking acolyte.

The last refuge of artificial intellect is the ad hominem attack that replaces meaningful discussion on the merits of reason.

Godwin's law is truly a beautiful thing.

PS: It's spelled Mein Kampf **

 

[Deleted member 848]

Why is it important to you to play this game? You are an intelligent person, no doubt.

I'm taking it you esteem Karl Marx with some reverence, and that your faked respect for the American experiment with a concept called "freedom" being placed in counterweight to the necessary functions of government in such a way that it reflects a design to limit the ambitions and excesses of tyrants completely misses the essential point.

So call me childish, and go on with your chosen profession somehow. You have serious business to attend to. The business of filling a little niche in a new organized sort of tyranny that professes to have all the answers, to know everything, and aims to do everything in a reasoned, planned manner.

Ignore the fact that you work for corrupt humans with failed programs, and get back to work. Every tyrant or tyrannical system needs a servile class of liege professionals to flesh out its arms of power, it's soldierly ambassadors who enforce the dictates handed down from the Castle.

Every tyranny will reduce the great unwashed masses to a life of peasantry, and if a little man like you or me wants to wear a badge of honor, we just have to sing the songs of praise for whatever government there is.

I feel like I just read a passage from Brave New World.

Step away from the ledge, babe. It's gonna be okay.