Following potential 2015 draftees

[The Midnight]

I think Oubre is still likely to be at least as successful as Stanley Johnson, simply because he's prototypical for the wing positions. There aren't many 6'7" or 6'8" 245-lb players in the league having an impact as starters. Basically, you've got Millsap and Draymond Green. Well, and Lebron James.

Motivation has a lot to do with how successful you are in the NBA. If you're not motivated, there are 100's of other players out there hungrier than you, wanting to take your place.


And apparently this is the case with Otto Porter. As this revealing piece of interview by Paul Pierce:

"Otto is another one who just doesn't understand how good he is,'' Pierce said. "He can shoot, he's a slasher, he can defend, I'm just not sure how badly he wants it every day.

"That kid just needs to get mad. If he came to practice ticked off and to the games ticked off, he'd be fine. But it's hard to get Otto mad. I should punch him one day just to get him riled up.''

Oubre seems a lot like Porter on paper. Long reach for the position. Nice stroke. Good to great shooter. But without motivation, he's not going anywhere fast. May be he is yet to reach his potential, who knows? But as it stands he needs to pick it up.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Meh, Otto Porter and Kelly Oubre are pretty different players. Oubre has plenty of hunger. He's just inconsistent. He'll be fine.

 

[The Midnight]

Meh, Otto Porter and Kelly Oubre are pretty different players. Oubre has plenty of hunger. He's just inconsistent. He'll be fine.

The thing about hunger though is it's not that easy to determine right off the bat. Sometimes it's apparent, sometimes it's not. It's elusive.

 

[spycam1]

Night, all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KxtMk59NVg

 

[Maneesh]

Except when you're bitching about the FO, then you're just saying stupid crap.
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I'm not very nice.

You can neg rep me everyday like you do. In the end you are just a sadistic person who has not found any happiness other than attack others. How you get to so much rep with your nonsense is beyond comprehension. Does anyone think this guy has smart thoughts or is just a smart *** for his rep? I think he is not so smart. Bully guy attacks those with 2 rep, but kisses butt to those with more. Straight bully.

 

[freakazoid]

You can neg rep me everyday like you do. In the end you are just a sadistic person who has not found any happiness other than attack others. How you get to so much rep with your nonsense is beyond comprehension. Does anyone think this guy has smart thoughts or is just a smart *** for his rep? I think he is not so smart. Bully guy attacks those with 2 rep, but kisses butt to those with more. Straight bully.

Name one poster I kiss up to. Also, I have negged you a grand total of one time, and I can post my history if need be to prove you're lying. Unless of course, you're an alt of somebody else, in which case I'll be happy to apologize, if you just tell me who I'm apologizing to. Something tells me if you weren't whining about me, you'd probably be the guy who is periodically making posts like this to complain about the unfair treatment you receive from the mods.

 

[idiot]

Has anybody else been following Tony Jones's twitter? He's been having convos about what the Jazz will/should do in the offseason. As with a lot of twitter conversations, it's not always clear how strongly he holds the position, nor whether what he is saying comes primarily from his sources with the Jazz or his own opinion. Nevertheless he's been throwing out a lot of hints in which he seems to imply some knowledge about the Jazz's current thinking (who knows if he's right or not):

Jazz won't go for an upgrade or even 1-2 yr stopgap at PG -- Exum is the guy (he's very clear this is the Jazz's thinking)

Jazz would be hard pressed to get an upgrade at a wing -- they love Hood (it's not quite clear if this is all Jazz's thoughts, or partly his thoughts)

Jazz love two guys in draft: Hezonja and Porzingis -- but they've long since understood that they'll be gone far before the Jazz pick (seems pretty clear this info comes from Jazz)

Jazz are likely to go BPA route, maybe erring on the side of high upside who needs development time, since virtually anyone they bring in will not find many regular rotation minutes (TJ didn't bat away Oubre and Looney when their names were brought up)

Also emphasized that Jazz likely to address shooting in offseason (though that's probably not news to anybody)

TJ did bat away Dekker's name -- says many players higher on Jazz's list

Was doubtful that Stanley Johnson could even find a spot in the rotation ahead of Ingles next year if Ingles is back (sounded more like TJ's opinion, but I'm not sure)

Brought up Trey Lyles and Devin Booker as guys the Jazz like.

Jazz care very, very little about where they finish in the lottery. Culture development far more important than moving up a slot or two.

 

[The Midnight]

^^^

- Got the same feeling listening to DL that he likes Hood a lot. He said numerous times Hood will be with the Jazz for a long time.

- Dekker without shooting is pretty ****, so yeah not surprised he's not on our list.

- PG situation: 1) No team is willing to give up their star PG. 2) We don't have enough asset to move up to get Russell or Mudiay. 3) We are a team that's happy to develop young talents. 4) Exum is coachable, no attitude issues, a Jazz type player. 5) Defensively he is already THERE. All signs point towards us keeping Exum long term.

- Re development vs lottery position: DL took Hayward & Favors out I think largely to develop young players & bench primarily. Difference between #10 and #12 isn't that great in this draft.

 

[stitches]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnfpmCpa3PA

 

[spycam1]

Has anybody else been following Tony Jones's twitter? He's been having convos about what the Jazz will/should do in the offseason. As with a lot of twitter conversations, it's not always clear how strongly he holds the position, nor whether what he is saying comes primarily from his sources with the Jazz or his own opinion. Nevertheless he's been throwing out a lot of hints in which he seems to imply some knowledge about the Jazz's current thinking (who knows if he's right or not):

Jazz won't go for an upgrade or even 1-2 yr stopgap at PG -- Exum is the guy (he's very clear this is the Jazz's thinking)

Jazz would be hard pressed to get an upgrade at a wing -- they love Hood (it's not quite clear if this is all Jazz's thoughts, or partly his thoughts)

Jazz love two guys in draft: Hezonja and Porzingis -- but they've long since understood that they'll be gone far before the Jazz pick (seems pretty clear this info comes from Jazz)

Jazz are likely to go BPA route, maybe erring on the side of high upside who needs development time, since virtually anyone they bring in will not find many regular rotation minutes (TJ didn't bat away Oubre and Looney when their names were brought up)

Also emphasized that Jazz likely to address shooting in offseason (though that's probably not news to anybody)

TJ did bat away Dekker's name -- says many players higher on Jazz's list

Was doubtful that Stanley Johnson could even find a spot in the rotation ahead of Ingles next year if Ingles is back (sounded more like TJ's opinion, but I'm not sure)

Brought up Trey Lyles and Devin Booker as guys the Jazz like.

Jazz care very, very little about where they finish in the lottery. Culture development far more important than moving up a slot or two.

The Jazz and I see pretty eye to eye on just about everything.

I've always said that Exum is the guy at PG and we shouldn't stunt his development by moving him back to the bench. We threw him into the fire, why would we suddenly take him out again? The physical gifts and BBIQ are there, and he's got the right coach to develop his gifts. He's going to be very good.

Hood also looks like a long term starter in the back court, but I'm glad the Jazz are as high on Mario as the majority of us here.

Just draft BPA. Get shooting and upside.

 

[spycam1]

PKJones, who would you pick between Lyles and Booker?

 

[NCJazz]

Has anybody else been following Tony Jones's twitter? He's been having convos about what the Jazz will/should do in the offseason. As with a lot of twitter conversations, it's not always clear how strongly he holds the position, nor whether what he is saying comes primarily from his sources with the Jazz or his own opinion. Nevertheless he's been throwing out a lot of hints in which he seems to imply some knowledge about the Jazz's current thinking (who knows if he's right or not):

Jazz won't go for an upgrade or even 1-2 yr stopgap at PG -- Exum is the guy (he's very clear this is the Jazz's thinking)

Jazz would be hard pressed to get an upgrade at a wing -- they love Hood (it's not quite clear if this is all Jazz's thoughts, or partly his thoughts)

Jazz love two guys in draft: Hezonja and Porzingis -- but they've long since understood that they'll be gone far before the Jazz pick (seems pretty clear this info comes from Jazz)

Jazz are likely to go BPA route, maybe erring on the side of high upside who needs development time, since virtually anyone they bring in will not find many regular rotation minutes (TJ didn't bat away Oubre and Looney when their names were brought up)

Also emphasized that Jazz likely to address shooting in offseason (though that's probably not news to anybody)

TJ did bat away Dekker's name -- says many players higher on Jazz's list

Was doubtful that Stanley Johnson could even find a spot in the rotation ahead of Ingles next year if Ingles is back (sounded more like TJ's opinion, but I'm not sure)

Brought up Trey Lyles and Devin Booker as guys the Jazz like.

Jazz care very, very little about where they finish in the lottery. Culture development far more important than moving up a slot or two.

Certainly think that backup C is an area of need for the Jazz and then combined with shooting who could that possibly be?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Has anybody else been following Tony Jones's twitter? He's been having convos about what the Jazz will/should do in the offseason. As with a lot of twitter conversations, it's not always clear how strongly he holds the position, nor whether what he is saying comes primarily from his sources with the Jazz or his own opinion. Nevertheless he's been throwing out a lot of hints in which he seems to imply some knowledge about the Jazz's current thinking (who knows if he's right or not):

Jazz won't go for an upgrade or even 1-2 yr stopgap at PG -- Exum is the guy (he's very clear this is the Jazz's thinking)

Jazz would be hard pressed to get an upgrade at a wing -- they love Hood (it's not quite clear if this is all Jazz's thoughts, or partly his thoughts)

Jazz love two guys in draft: Hezonja and Porzingis -- but they've long since understood that they'll be gone far before the Jazz pick (seems pretty clear this info comes from Jazz)

Jazz are likely to go BPA route, maybe erring on the side of high upside who needs development time, since virtually anyone they bring in will not find many regular rotation minutes (TJ didn't bat away Oubre and Looney when their names were brought up)

Also emphasized that Jazz likely to address shooting in offseason (though that's probably not news to anybody)

TJ did bat away Dekker's name -- says many players higher on Jazz's list

Was doubtful that Stanley Johnson could even find a spot in the rotation ahead of Ingles next year if Ingles is back (sounded more like TJ's opinion, but I'm not sure)

Brought up Trey Lyles and Devin Booker as guys the Jazz like.

Jazz care very, very little about where they finish in the lottery. Culture development far more important than moving up a slot or two.

Hey, nice post. Idiot.

Seriously though, it's true that with Burks, Hood and Hayward, minutes at the wing are going to be hard to some by. I still think Oubre is a minor upgrade due to his length and athleticism--our perimeter defense could be phenomenal--but it's likely a minor upgrade. At this point, I see the Jazz using this draft to bring in a back-up big like Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles--whichever one shoots best and has the most upside. I like Devin Booker, but don't think he'll take minutes from Hood unless he has some serious ball skills we don't know about. Hood is actually a surprisingly good passer.

So: Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles and maybe Oubre if he's awesome in workouts.

 

[The Midnight]

Hey, nice post. Idiot.

Seriously though, it's true that with Burks, Hood and Hayward, minutes at the wing are going to be hard to some by. I still think Oubre is a minor upgrade due to his length and athleticism--our perimeter defense could be phenomenal--but it's likely a minor upgrade. At this point, I see the Jazz using this draft to bring in a back-up big like Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles--whichever one shoots best and has the most upside. I like Devin Booker, but don't think he'll take minutes from Hood unless he has some serious ball skills we don't know about. Hood is actually a surprisingly good passer.

So: Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles and maybe Oubre if he's awesome in workouts.

Problem is all those are PFs ... we already have a back up PF in Booker who is improving and has shown he can backup Favors if he is injured or needs a rest (knock on wood). What we really need is a back up Center.


But if you say "Well we're bringing over Tomic", then my question to you is "Are we really going to use our lottery pick on a 5th big?"

 

[RandyForRubio]

PKJones, who would you pick between Lyles and Booker?

I am not the droid you are seeking, but I would take Booker. Lyles has a very nice skillset, but he just seems so soft to me. Maybe part of that is just being young, but maybe not.

 

[spycam1]

Problem is all those are PFs ... we already have a back up PF in Booker who is improving and has shown he can backup Favors if he is injured or needs a rest (knock on wood). What we really need is a back up Center.


But if you say "Well we're bringing over Tomic", then my question to you is "Are we really going to use our lottery pick on a 5th big?"

You're thinking too much about what the drafted big would do for us in the present instead of the future. He could be the long term 3rd big. It's not guaranteed that Booker will be here after next season. Besides, I think Portis could be as good or better than Booker as a rookie.

And you could say this about the wing position too. We've got Hayward, Hood, Burks and Ingles. Are we really going to use this pick on a 5th wing? Using your logic, the Jazz should only be looking at PGs.

 

[The Midnight]

You're thinking too much about what the drafted big would do for us in the present instead of the future. He could be the long term 3rd big. It's not guaranteed that Booker will be here after next season. Besides, I think Portis could be as good or better than Booker as a rookie.

And you could say this about the wing position too. We've got Hayward, Hood, Burks and Ingles. Are we really going to use this pick on a 5th wing? Using your logic, the Jazz should only be looking at PGs.

It really depends on how soon you want to be contending. Booker is ready to go RIGHT NOW. We can have a playoff run next year, and a deeper run the year after.


You draft Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis and you're looking at at least 3 years before they're ready to contribute as your solid 3rd big for a contending team. Think about how long it took Kanter & Favors to be where they are today.

 

[sahlensguy]

I think I'd be happy with Bobby Portis. Not a ton of upside but could be a nice backup on the long run. Same with Jerian Grant.

 

[spycam1]

It really depends on how soon you want to be contending. Booker is ready to go RIGHT NOW. We can have a playoff run next year, and a deeper run the year after.


You draft Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis and you're looking at at least 3 years before they're ready to contribute as your solid 3rd big for a contending team. Think about how long it took Kanter & Favors to be where they are today.

We don't know how long it would take them to contribute at that level. That's making a big assumption. Especially in the case of Portis. He put up similar numbers to Kaminsky who you seem to believe is ready to contribute?

And Booker will be on the team and ready to make that playoff push regardless of who we draft. And then the drafted big could help us make a deeper run the year after that if he surpasses Booker's productivity.

Again, everything you're saying could also be said about the wings. Whoever we draft is almost certainly going to start off as a bench player.

Draft BPA and let things play themselves out.

 

[The Midnight]

We don't know how long it would take them to contribute at that level. That's making a big assumption. Especially in the case of Portis. He put up similar numbers to Kaminsky who you seem to believe is ready to contribute?

And Booker will be on the team and ready to make that playoff push regardless of who we draft. And then the drafted big could help us make a deeper run the year after that if he surpasses Booker's productivity.

Again, everything you're saying could also be said about the wings. Whoever we draft is almost certainly going to start off as a bench player.

Draft BPA and let things play themselves out.

I'm not making a big assumption, I'm just trying to be realistic about their development. Booker was drafted in 2010, and he's only showing his true potential as a solid 3rd big. Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis aren't can't miss talent, it will take them longer to find their feet in the NBA.