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stitches said:
I think I'm full circle back to wanting us to keep our pick. I started off wanting us to keep the pick, then at some point I wanted us to trade it, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like the best option is to just keep it and get another lottery level talent. We will not be contenders next year with or without whatever we can trade the pick for. At the same time if we trade it for a PG/SG that would mean slowing down Dante's or Rodney's development, less minutes for them, less responsibility, less opportunities to improve in in-game situations. The only possible way I want us to trade it is if we are getting a long-term key piece and I doubt many such deals are available.
Quite honestly I think I'm good with a lot of the options that are going to be available for us. I wouldn't even mind if we combined a couple of picks in order to jump to getting some of the better shooting talents in the draft(Russell if he drops, Hezonja, etc.)... but I think that's probably the option that's least possible of all.
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what if golden state came and offered Barnes for say the rights to draft Oubre? (the jazz might have to take david lees salary)
 
sahlensguy said:
Kris Dunn's lack of toughness around the basket, on both ends of the court in addition to not fighting through screens is a big turn off for me. That with his careless turnovers makes him a big gamble.

Even though Donte may never draw fouls around the rim, at least he battles on D and as this season wore on was much more careful with the ball.

The pace at which the Jazz play when Cotton is at the point is impressive but I'm not even sure it's necessary from our starting PG. Our D can be so dominating that a slower pace will demoralize the opponent quicker than a fast paced game. And went do we want Rudy running up and down so often.
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Very risky, but as the same time you don't dismiss specimens like Dunn. If college stats meant much, McDermott would be an all star instead of a 5 PER 12th man on the Bulls.

According to ESPN stat man Ryan Feldman, "Among guards in the last five NBA drafts [excluding 2014's], the top four in steal percentage in their final college season have started the majority of their NBA games." He also found that, "Among guards and wings in the last five NBA drafts, eight of the top 10 in assist percentage in their final college season have started in the NBA."
 
Crocodile Dante said:
what if golden state came and offered Barnes for say the rights to draft Oubre? (the jazz might have to take david lees salary)
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Umh... don't like the option with David Lee. He's got 15M contract... and Barnes - 3M. That means we have to send back 12M to them at the very least. We don't have the players to be able to make the trade. We have 8M in non-guaranteed contracts(that includes Millsap and Booker), Trey 2.5M, Jerret 0.9M ... we will need 1M more just to make salaries match. We don't have those... we simply don't. Who are we going to send them? Hood?

For me Millsap and Booker are marginal assets, Trey is a marginal asset(maybe somewhat more valuable than Booker and Millsap), lottery pick is very valuable, Hood is very valuable.

So in general we are sending to them 2 great assets, 3 marginal assets, in order to get a 1 year rental on Lee and possibly the best asset in that trade in Barnes?

Thanks but no thanks. I don't like it. Just the pick for Barnes is better deal to me.
 
Catchall said:
I guess the question is--how to rank the following:

Looney, Oubre, Turner, Portis, Lyles
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I think Oubre is the best prospect in this group with Portis as a sleeper. Pencil me in for Oubre/Portis.

Best-case scenario for Oubre is Paul George/Rudy Gay--but he'll probably fall short of this.

Best-case scenario for Portis is Rasheed Wallace.
 
stitches said:
Umh... don't like the option with David Lee. He's got 15M contract... and Barnes - 3M. That means we have to send back 12M to them at the very least. We don't have the players to be able to make the trade. We have 8M in non-guaranteed contracts(that includes Millsap and Booker), Trey 2.5M, Jerret 0.9M ... we will need 1M more just to make salaries match. We don't have those... we simply don't. Who are we going to send them? Hood?

For me Millsap and Booker are marginal assets, Trey is a marginal asset(maybe somewhat more valuable than Booker and Millsap), lottery pick is very valuable, Hood is very valuable.

So in general we are sending to them 2 great assets, 3 marginal assets, in order to get a 1 year rental on Lee and possibly the best asset in that trade in Barnes?

Thanks but no thanks. I don't like it. Just the pick for Barnes is better deal to me.
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I never looked at the salaries but what about oubre and a future first (lotto protected) for barnes?
 
Catchall said:
I guess the question is--how to rank the following:

Looney, Oubre, Turner, Portis, Lyles

It's not real clear to me yet.
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You can even add Poeltl to the list.

Quite honestly... I kinda like some things about all of them. Right now I'd probably rank them:

Oubre, Portis, Looney, Turner, Lyles...
 
Crocodile Dante said:
I never looked at the salaries but what about oubre and a future first (lotto protected) for barnes?
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When I did that proposal in RealGM I got overwhelming response(not from Utah fans, from everybody) that this is overpaying for Barnes and that just this lottery pick should be enough.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
I never looked at the salaries but what about oubre and a future first (lotto protected) for barnes?
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Gawd No! Barnes is so vanilla. He will get paid a bunch in 2016 based on some perceived potential/name recognition plus the cap skyrocketing. Either he or hood would be getting 15 minutes a night when we are healthy if we acquired him.

I wouldn't do our pick straight up let alone add another pick. What exactly does Barnes do well?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Gawd No! Barnes is so vanilla. He will get paid a bunch in 2016 based on some perceived potential/name recognition plus the cap skyrocketing. Either he or hood would be getting 15 minutes a night when we are healthy if we acquired him.

I wouldn't do our pick straight up let alone add another pick. What exactly does Barnes do well?
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Amen. Barnes is a poor man's Hood.
 
spycam1 said:
The water could not be more muddy where we're picking.
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I still think we can move up... If we are drafting 11 moving up to 8 or 9 could mean a big difference. Maybe Charlotte falls in love with Booker (they need shooting) we send our pick and take back the contract or Marvin Williams.

I wonder if Trey Burke is appealing to Detroit or Sacramento... Does Trey plus a future pick and the 11 get us to 6 or 8? i think it is worth paying a premium to move up.
 
Miami is at an interesting crossroad as a franchise. I think they might give us 10 for 12 if there are multiple guys they like about the same and we throw in a 2nd-round pick. From 10, we might be able to trade up to 7 or 8 with a player or another pick involved. I'm reaching here a bit, obviously.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I still think we can move up... If we are drafting 11 moving up to 8 or 9 could mean a big difference. Maybe Charlotte falls in love with Booker (they need shooting) we send our pick and take back the contract or Marvin Williams.

I wonder if Trey Burke is appealing to Detroit or Sacramento... Does Trey plus a future pick and the 11 get us to 6 or 8? i think it is worth paying a premium to move up.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd be curious to know who you think they could get at 8 that is significantly better than at than 11.

Because in my opinion, up through 11, there are 3 tiers -- first: KAT, JO and DRuss. second: Winslow and I'll include Hezonja and Mudiay based on what some here think and just general consensus. Then the third tier lasts until about 11-13. Just not seeing much difference between 8 and 11.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd be curious to know who you think they could get at 8 that is significantly better than at than 11.

Because in my opinion, up through 11, there are 3 tiers -- first: KAT, JO and DRuss. second: Winslow and I'll include Hezonja and Mudiay based on what some here think and just general consensus. Then the third tier lasts until about 11-13. Just not seeing much difference between 8 and 11.
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I think the tiers are

tier 1
KAT
JO
Russ
Mudiay

Tier 2
Winslow
WCS - A lot of teams that need his skill set

Tier 3
Hezonja
Porzingis
Johnson

Tier 4
Frank the Tank (he deserves his own tier)

Tier 5
The guys we are talking about... okay Frank could be here.

I think Johnson, Hezonja, and Porzingis are all much better prospects. Johnson seems to have dropped a bit and I'm not really sure why. I think he could come in and be our 4th or 5th wing next year but also play some spot minutes at the 4. It wouldn't be his full time position, but I could see him being successful guarding stretch 4s and causing matchup issues on offense.
 
My tiers look like this....

First Tier: Towns, Russell

Second: Okafor, Mudiay, Hezonja

Third: Winslow, Porzingis, WCS

Fourth: Oubre, Turner, Johnson, maybe Dunn (not sure)

Fifth: Poeltl, Kaminsky, Portis, Lyles, Looney

We're assured of getting someone in the 4th tier.
 
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