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Following potential 2015 draftees

Here's what I think happens:

1- Minnesota - Towns goes first as a franchise center
2- Knicks - Okafor goes second as a franchise center
3- Sixers - Russell goes as PGOTF who can play some SG if need be
4- Lakers - Mudiay goes as a versatile power guard
5- Magic - I think they take Hezonja here, though Porzingis is a possibility
6- Kings - I think they take Porzingis to space the floor for Cousins
7- Nuggets - I think they take WCS as a defensive anchor
8- Detroit - I think they take Johnson because he might play either forward spot, though they might try to trade the pick and look at versatile PFs to replace Monroe; Oubre and Looney are possibilities as well.
9- Charlotte - I think if they get Winslow, they're happy, as they need a shooting wing.
10- Miami - They need PG insurance for Dragic and Napier who can also play some SG -- they take Jerian Grant
11 - Indiana -- I have no idea. They could go Kaminsky, Lyles, Looney, Payne, or Oubre. I don't think they want to wait on Turner.

I think the Jazz could offer Trey Burke, a future first and 12 to Detroit, enabling the Jazz to have their choice of Johnson or Oubre if that's what they want. Detroit gets a replacement for Augustine, an alternative to Jackson, a future pick and their choice of Lyles, Looney, Portis, Booker, etc. Oubre might be there if they want a wing.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think they've been playing Aaron Gordon at the 3 though and of course Oladipo at the 2.


I think they desperately need a PF to pair with Vucevic.
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Long-term I think Gordon is a PF. They might also lose Harris in free agency. Their backcourt can't shoot, and they're desperate for a shooter on the wing.
 
I do think there is at least a 50% chance that Oubre makes it to 12, mostly because Miami and Indiana are in win-now mode, so drafting a 4-year player like Kaminsky or Grant makes sense for them.

I also think the Jazz could trade Burke to Miami or possibly Detroit if that's something they want to do as part of a move-up strategy.
 
Catchall said:
Here's what I think happens:

1- Minnesota - Towns goes first as a franchise center
2- Knicks - Okafor goes second as a franchise center
3- Sixers - Russell goes as PGOTF who can play some SG if need be
4- Lakers - Mudiay goes as a versatile power guard
5- Magic - I think they take Hezonja here, though Porzingis is a possibility
6- Kings - I think they take Porzingis to space the floor for Cousins
7- Nuggets - I think they take WCS as a defensive anchor
8- Detroit - I think they take Johnson because he might play either forward spot, though they might try to trade the pick and look at versatile PFs to replace Monroe; Oubre and Looney are possibilities as well.
9- Charlotte - I think if they get Winslow, they're happy, as they need a shooting wing.
10- Miami - They need PG insurance for Dragic and Napier who can also play some SG -- they take Jerian Grant
11 - Indiana -- I have no idea. They could go Kaminsky, Lyles, Looney, Payne, or Oubre. I don't think they want to wait on Turner.

I think the Jazz could offer Trey Burke, a future first and 12 to Detroit, enabling the Jazz to have their choice of Johnson or Oubre if that's what they want. Detroit gets a replacement for Augustine, an alternative to Jackson, a future pick and their choice of Lyles, Looney, Portis, Booker, etc. Oubre might be there if they want a wing.
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I never understood why people think Detroit would want any part of Trey Burke. Because he goes to Michigan? So what?


They've already got Jennings and I'm pretty certain they'll re-sign Jackson as well (why else would they trade for him? a 3 month rental?). They are LOADED at the PG position.
 
Jennings is out with a torn Achilles and they traded out Augustine. They're not real deep at PG.

Jackson also didn't play well, and it's not 100% certain they'll re-sign him.

Monroe is unrestricted, so they'll need a starting-caliber PF. That's something they can get at 12, while picking up another asset. Either Oubre or Looney is also likely to be there at 12, if they want a wing to replace Tayshaun Prince.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I never understood why people think Detroit would want any part of Trey Burke. Because he goes to Michigan? So what?


They've already got Jennings and I'm pretty certain they'll re-sign Jackson as well (why else would they trade for him? a 3 month rental?). They are LOADED at the PG position.
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It has some merit. Jennings is coming of an Achilles tear and may not be the same ever again. Jackson may get an offer they don't like... Problem is timing. Draft is before free agency.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It has some merit. Jennings is coming of an Achilles tear and may not be the same ever again. Jackson may get an offer they don't like... Problem is timing. Draft is before free agency.
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Van Gundy seems to be all about win now. He's their GM. They'll match any offers on Jackson or else why would they have given up on all that assets to get him?
 
Burke is a back-up at least. He's replacing Jennings and Augustine even if they re-sign Jackson.

Look at Detroit's situation overall:

* New coach/GM in Van Gundy. Player turn-over is inevitable.
* They didn't have a first-round pick last year. The two years prior they were 8th just like this year and got Drummond and Caldwell-Pope.
* They cut bait on Josh Smith.
* They're losing Greg Monroe in free agency.
* Tayshaun Prince doesn't want to be there, and I think he's a free agent too.
* Jackson is a restricted free agent who underperformed this past year.
* They've got other old guys to replace in Caron Butler, Joel Anthony, Cartier Martin and John Lucas III.
* There's a talent drop-off after the top 7 in this draft if you're not sold on Winslow. Thereafter beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't think they're in win-now mode. I think they're rebuilding around Drummond and have precious little talent to do it.

If anyone should be open to trading their pick for extra assets, it's Detroit this year.
 
Catchall said:
Jennings is out with a torn Achilles and they traded out Augustine. They're not real deep at PG.

Jackson also didn't play well, and it's not 100% certain they'll re-sign him.

Monroe is unrestricted, so they'll need a starting-caliber PF. That's something they can get at 12, while picking up another asset. Either Oubre or Looney is also likely to be there at 12, if they want a wing to replace Tayshaun Prince.
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Just for future reference I don't get notifications if you don't quote me, hence I missed this post earlier.
 
Anyone catch this tweet by Sam Amico?

Sam Amico: Ohio State G D'Angelo Russell entering NBA Draft. Scout: "Don't expect him to ever be a star. But should be a nice starter for a long time." Twitter @SamAmicoFSO
 
Jazz4ever said:
Anyone catch this tweet by Sam Amico?

Sam Amico: Ohio State G D'Angelo Russell entering NBA Draft. Scout: "Don't expect him to ever be a star. But should be a nice starter for a long time." Twitter @SamAmicoFSO
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Depends on what you mean by star. Curry/Harden level--maybe not. But I don't think it's unreasonable to say he could make a few All-Star teams.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Anyone catch this tweet by Sam Amico?

Sam Amico: Ohio State G D'Angelo Russell entering NBA Draft. Scout: "Don't expect him to ever be a star. But should be a nice starter for a long time." Twitter @SamAmicoFSO
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Wow, an anonymous NBA scout said that? How interesting.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Van Gundy seems to be all about win now. He's their GM. They'll match any offers on Jackson or else why would they have given up on all that assets to get him?
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They didn't give up much
 
I think scouts and nba personnel are getting better at throwing out misinformation. One of the nba scouts that was talking to chad ford was saying Stanley Johnson is completely overhyped and wasn't very dominant this year... His numbers looked good to me as an 18 year old.

I don't think they do it with every prospect but if I liked a guy who had potential to slip to me I'd throw out some garbage about him too.
 
The thing is, all scouts probably aren't good at their job just like not all coaches/players are good at their job.

Russell going to be a God.
 
It seems to me Tomic is also a candidate to be traded. He's one of the top centers in Europe, if not the top right now. He wants to play in the league, but backing up Gobert might not be ideal for him. I feel like he could factor into a trade this off-season. A few teams drafting ahead of us would do well to pick him up.

Tomic + 12 + 2nd-rd pick should move us up to 8 at least.

Plus, we still have Pleiss.
 
Cy said:
The thing is, all scouts probably aren't good at their job just like not all coaches/players are good at their job.

Russell going to be a God.
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I don't think they remember that Harden wasn't very explosive in college either. He had a slower pace than he has now and had an old school kind of game. These guys develop and get stronger and faster. Russell's only knock is he is a little slow and not a big leaper. He's such a good shooter passer and creator though. Put him with some good bigs in a PnR and it will be ugly. The nba game also creates a better balanced floor which will open more driving lanes for him.

Him and towns have the most star potential to me.
 
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