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Following potential 2015 draftees

Justise is fine. He measured 6'4.5" barefoot, 6'6.5" in shoes, with a 6'10" wingspan and large hands his for his size. His measurables scream 2-guard which is exactly where he'll play. I don't think he did anything to jeopardize his slot as a #4 - #6 player in the pool.
 
Is standing reach measured with shoes on or off?

Cuz if it's with it on, Winslow's are BS because he has 2'' shoes.
 
Cy said:
I'm not sure Johnson can really be a stretch 4 anymore given his measurements. He is a good 2 inches shorter than I thought with only a standing reach of 8'6. He has the physical strength and mass, but not the vertical length to do it (just speculating). Dekker may be better suited as a stretch 4 than Johnson.

I think measurements hurt Johnson the most out of anyone. I'm not usually a big measurements person, but when you are projecting a guy to play some spot minutes at the 4, it's kind of important they have at least moderate PF size.
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Yeah, good post.
 
spycam1 said:
Lol
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Dekker's name is pretty hot, but i said i would not be shocked if Dekker goes before him. I did not say I thought he would go before Winslow. Also depending on who gets the #2 pick I would also not be shocked if Porzingis goes 2. There are scouts who do use the P Gasol-Nowitski comparison.
 
Cy said:
Combine test don't matter.
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Roughly 30 owners and 30 general managers would disagree with you, or else they would not be spending their time and money.

Or maybe this was just hyperbole, and you meant something like "combine tests have limited value and need to be used along with other data such as game performance, character, statistics, etc."
 
My final pre-lottery thoughts.

Some guys I wouldn't be shocked to see dropping a bit lower than their current projections(will give current draftexpress in parentheses).

WCS(6)- I think people will get sucked in by the offensive potential of Porz and their like.
Hezonja(7)- Concerns over what the heck is going on with his current team.
Kaminsky(10)- Can't see him going that high.


Guys I expect to see higher than current projections:
Porz(8)- Not a whole lot higher, but a bit, his offensive potential is scary.
Looney(18)- I've bought in a little bit and expect late lotto(maybe us).
Payne(20)- Somebody in need of a scoring PG will fall in love earlier than 20 I'm betting.

And finally the guys I think we should be looking at for each of our picks:
#12- I think we should be looking for a big man here as I'm not digging any of the 2nd flight of point guards and we're pretty good on the wings.
1. If any of the clear 2nd tier guys fall- Johnson/Hezonja/WCS being possibilities in my eyes.
2. Turner- assuming he can run normally now, rim protection and shooting in one guy is tough to come by.
3. Kaminsky- more shooting, less rim protection. Less potential, but better now.
4. Looney- Still not %100 on him, but talented and long.
5. Oubre/Dekker- going BPA if a shooting big isn't available. Have these guys too far ahead of Portis/Lyles in talent to go for need over them.
#43-Should just go BPA here, would love to use this pick to move up into the late first, which I'm sure some team would do to avoid giving guaranteed money.
#54-Same as above.

Guys I like in the late first onward(Upshaw is a great talent, not so great dude, hope we don't get him):
De Paula- crazy potential, honestly don't know why he's not higher on draft boards.
Dakari Johnson- If we don't get a big earlier he could be a decent backup.
Michael Qualls- Seems to go hard.
Jaiteh- Similar to Dakari, looks like a backup big if we don't address that earlier.
Richaun Holmes- All around game.
Mickey- Looked great in 5 on 5 the other day.

So my kind of hopeful but somewhat realistic draft:
#12-Stay put, Turner is gone, go with Kaminsky over Looney in a close one.
use #43 to move up into the late 1st to grab De Paula
#54-Grab Jaiteh as a draft/stash (though I expect him to go higher).

Leaving us with this pretty fun looking lineup going into the free agent season(including easy to re-sign free agents):
Exum/Burke/De Paula (I'm a proponent of bringing over young foreign players to develop)
Hood/Burks/Millsap
Hayward/Ingles/???
Favors/Booker/???
Gobert/Kaminsky/Jaiteh (Same as De Paula)

Seems like we'd be in a pretty good spot going into next season.
 
silesian said:
Roughly 30 owners and 30 general managers would disagree with you, or else they would not be spending their time and money.

Or maybe this was just hyperbole, and you meant something like "combine tests have limited value and need to be used along with other data such as game performance, character, statistics, etc."
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They go for the interviews.

I don't think a GM has ever been like "Hey, who should we draft Player A or Player B" and someone said "Player A cuz his wingspan is 1'' longer and his max vert is 3'' bigger".
 
Doublea said:
I'd be happy with most of the players in our range. Go for Booker cause we need shooting. Kaminsky for a scoring big off the bench. Oubre or Johnson for the potential and defensive abilities. Looney or Turner for defense and potential.
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My big question is both simple and very hard: What is DL's priority? Is it to build the #1 defense in the league (perhaps at the expense of better shooting), or is to improve shooting (and do as little harm to defense).
 
silesian said:
My big question is both simple and very hard: What is DL's priority? Is it to build the #1 defense in the league (perhaps at the expense of better shooting), or is to improve shooting (and do as little harm to defense).
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That's the big question isn't it? Personally I think we end up going shooting (Kaminsky) big due to having a pretty full wing already but still needing shooters. Looney/Turner are bigs that can shoot, but Kaminsky is a shooter.

Honestly though like Doublea said I'm happy whatever way we go because I'm confident Quin can get them to be at least passable in the other areas. Eg Improving Booker/Kaminsky on defense, developing Looney/Turner all around, or Oubre/Johnson as shooters.
 
Cy said:
They go for the interviews.

I don't think a GM has ever been like "Hey, who should we draft Player A or Player B" and someone said "Player A cuz his wingspan is 1'' longer and his max vert is 3'' bigger".
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Yes, GMs are generally not stupid so they would not frame their decision in such a simpleminded fashion. But to say "combine results don't matter" means they don't take it into consideration at all as one of the hundreds of variables that factor into their decisions. Do you think DL made a point of being aware of Gobert's standing reach and wingspan? I would guess so. Was it one of many factors in his decision to go after him? maybe. Would they have gone after him anyway? probably. Was it the sole reason they went after him? that's just silly.
 
Cy said:
They go for the interviews.

I don't think a GM has ever been like "Hey, who should we draft Player A or Player B" and someone said "Player A cuz his wingspan is 1'' longer and his max vert is 3'' bigger".
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Wasn't this the guy that was saying Johnson is going to slip cuz he measured a little shorter. All this stuff has weight to it and all will be considered. The Jazz send out a psychologist when doing interviews, so the interviews are very serious as well.

While I don't think a GM has uttered that exact phrase I do think they have probably used athleticism or length as a deciding factor between two guys. Athleticism might be measured more in the game, but the real trustworthy measurement numbers come from the combine. You actually said that when comparing Dekker and Johnson that Sam might be a better stretch 4 because of the measurements.
 
I think this team needs shooting more than it needs defense.

I personally have zeroed in on Kaminsky, Trey Lyles, or Myles Turner if we stay at 12. I really don't think Trey will be there. Between the two, I probably would prefer Turner - I think he'll be a better player long-term. Frank probably helps us more in year one, though.
 
Cy said:
I mean, he has the physical strength to do it. I'm not saying he can't play spot 4 minutes, he might be able to, and do a very good job, but it will require him to be a very intense and physical defender. I mean, Draymond Green really gives Randolph and Gasol trouble in post-ups. He is 4'' shorter in standing reach though, which is a pretty big difference.

I think most scouts, gms, and fans thought he was much bigger though, I know I did.
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The difference between Dray and Johnson is 3 inches in standing reach, but I do catch your drift it is significant. He does compare favorably to Jae Crowder though who plays the stretch 4 in spots. I think he will be able to play stretch 4 most nights but against post up bigs he might struggle. He will have more offense than Draymond imo and still may grow a bit... most men finishing growing by 20 years old and Stanley is almost 19.

At very worst I think Stanley will be a rich man's Jae Crowder... I'd take that at 12.

I also think there are potential discrepancies in this test. D' Angelo Russell is 1.5 inches shorter than Stanley and his wingspan 1.75 inches shorter than Stanley's yet they have the same standing reach. Can someone explain how this happens? Does it have to do with flexibility or something weird. The other weird one was Devin Booker and Kelly Oubre... both have the same standing reach yet Oubre is an inch taller and has a wingspan that is 6 inches longer... I'd want to retest those two if I brought them in.
 
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