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Handlogten's Heros said:
Totally random but a bunch of "insiders" keep referring to stuff that they heard about Robert Upshaw that they will not share. One guy said I don't know how you draft him at all (trying to remember who... may have been Steve Kyler). This guy must have something more going on than just substance abuse issues. It's weird that no one will spill the beans though.
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The podcast on RealGM with the CBS writer said that they "can't" talk about it on air. Whatever it is, they think it's enough to keep him out of a first-round commitment.
 
Catchall said:
The podcast on RealGM with the CBS writer said that they "can't" talk about it on air. Whatever it is, they think it's enough to keep him out of a first-round commitment.
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I heard someone else... Can't remember who... That said they did not want to be the person to reveal it. I don't think it's just weed like bill Walton and others on the board have said.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I heard someone else... Can't remember who... That said they did not want to be the person to reveal it. I don't think it's just weed like bill Walton and others on the board have said.
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Failed drug tests are apparently part of it. It might not be just weed. I'm not hearing about criminal charges or anything. It might be the crowd he once hung out with.
 
Captain Obvious: One of these guys is almost certainly available at 12. And if they're not, it means someone else highly regarded dropped--

Johnson, Turner, Oubre, Kaminsky

I'm more or less comfortable with any of them. I still think Portis and possibly Lyles deserve to be part of that discussion. I'm not quite feeling it on Dekker and Booker.
 
Catchall said:
Failed drug tests are apparently part of it. It might not be just weed. I'm not hearing about criminal charges or anything. It might be the crowd he once hung out with.
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I'm thinking its worse than that... otherwise guys would say he ran around with the wrong guys vs. I can't talk about it. Who knows... just found it interesting. Maybe some of them found out he tested for something much harder than weed and they weren't supposed to know.
 
idiot said:
Wish they were able to publish composite analytical models rankings over the past several years. Would be interesting to see whether averaging those models out led to better/worse/just different results from either any particular model or the actual draft orders.
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This would be nice... some of the guys had posted prior year results which was helpful and in some cases made me discount their model a bit.
 
stitches said:
His release is extremely low on those spot up 3s.
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The release is quick enough, I think. And his defender will probably have to give him an extra couple of inches just in case Stanley puts his body on him while attacking a close out.

SJ solidly at the top of my draft wish list.
 
stitches said:
His release is extremely low on those spot up 3s.
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I have faith that Quin and company can get him to improve his mechanics to improve little things like that AND that Johnson has the work ethic to really improve after that occurs. IMO, he's the guy who will fall further than he should, but the Jazz would have to still trade up to get him. I'm a huge fan of his and can see him coming into the NBA and developing into a player similar to Jimmy Butler. Since I think Hezonja and Porzingis will ultimately end up out of reach, Stanley Johnson is the guy I really want the Jazz to get.

Gobert, Favors/Booker, Hayward/Ingles, Hood/Johnson, Exum/Burks. Short of adding a legitimate 5 to back up Gobert, (or adding a veteran PG and keeping Burks more at wing) that's a pretty darned good 9 man rotation in my book. Plus, they still have millions in cap space and a boatload of assets to go after a big fish in the future if a star doesn't develop from that group.
 
NAOS said:
The release is quick enough, I think. And his defender will probably have to give him an extra couple of inches just in case Stanley puts his body on him while attacking a close out.

SJ solidly at the top of my draft wish list.
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Yah, from the ones we can reasonably expect to fall to us, I think I'd pick him too.
 
I was looking around at the APBRmetrics forum (the group that organized/wrote up) the analytic models composite rankings Cy mentioned in DX. One of the posters added a few more analytic models to the mix (so there's 8 analytical models altogether): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MXUrl25RpU-ew0cLmU2_K0mF91i0wKu0TYIHxuZbKJ4/edit#gid=0

Top 20 (college only) are (unless otherwise indicated the difference in composite scores from one prospect to the next prospect down is small):
1 Russell
2 Towns
(moderate break)
3 Okafor
(very large break)
4 Jones
5 Johnson
6 Winslow
7 Turner
8 Looney
9 Kaminsky
(large break)
10 Wright
(large break)
11 Oubre
12 Wood
13 Portis
14 Payne
(large break)
15 WSC
(moderate break)
16 Grant
17 Dekker
18 Hunter
(moderate break)
19 RHJ
20 McCullough

Among players who the composite of the analytical models likes considerably more than DX (top 100, not mock draft):
Jones (+10)
Looney (+12)
Wood (+13)
Wright (+18)

Among players who the composite of the analytical models like considerably less than DX (not hard to see a theme):
Booker (-12)
WCS (-9)
(Lyles would have made this list except DX already has him lower than most other sites).
 
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Rashad Vaughn is a major sleeper pick. Kid could be special. I really like Qualls in the second round and RHJ is intriguing, though not sure I'd want him at 12 depending on who else is there.
 
Since Pelton is the analytics guy Locke trusts most, it seems, it will be interesting to hear the discussion between those two (if there's) ever a podcast, on why Kaminsky is Pelton's model's 5th ranked prospect.

(And for that matter, I'd like to hear them discuss what we should think about an analytics model -- Pelton's -- that ranks Alan Williams and Marc Garcia as better prospects than Jahlil Okafor).
 
Im just jumping in here to say I'm glad KOC didn't draft cole aldrich
 
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