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Following potential 2015 draftees

If I told you that those are two freshman prospects one of them the almost consensus no. 1 pick and the other one is considered one of the raw prospects of the draft and could very possibly be available at 12, would that rise your interest in the second one?

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NUMBERICA said:
A thought: if this is the Jazz's last chance to draft this high for some time, is insurance for if Hayward leaves a consideration at all?
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No, not IMO. Grab the best talent you can get your hands on. If you have multiple prospects where the difference is negligible, draft to fill the biggest immediate need. Drafting a replacement for Hayward and leaving a hole elsewhere would be counterproductive to convincing Hayward to return. Play to win, don't play to not lose.;)
 
stitches said:
If I told you that those are two freshman prospects one of them the almost consensus no. 1 pick and the other one is considered one of the raw prospects of the draft and could very possibly be available at 12, would that rise your interest in the second one?

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Hurry! someone ruin this for me. TIA
 
stitches said:
If I told you that those are two freshman prospects one of them the almost consensus no. 1 pick and the other one is considered one of the raw prospects of the draft and could very possibly be available at 12, would that rise your interest in the second one?

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u have my attention
 
As for Locke, he needs to learn that numbers can only get you so far. They can't tell the whole story, and like others have pointed out, they can't take into account for certain variables.
 
NUMBERICA said:
A thought: if this is the Jazz's last chance to draft this high for some time, is insurance for if Hayward leaves a consideration at all?
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Imo you cross that bridge when you get to it.
The jazz should be thinking more along the lines of "how do we make Hayward (and our other players) want to stay when thier contracts are up?"

They need to draft the best player that they can (or use the pick for a trade) to make the team the best that they can so Hayward won't want to leave. (Because we will be winning and contending hopefully)
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
No, not IMO. Grab the best talent you can get your hands on. If you have multiple prospects where the difference is negligible, draft to fill the biggest immediate need. Drafting a replacement for Hayward and leaving a hole elsewhere would be counterproductive to convincing Hayward to return. Play to win, don't play to not lose.;)
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Ummm this. I hadn't seen this when I made my reply. (Said basically the same thing)
 
fishonjazz said:
Imo you cross that bridge when you get to it.
The jazz should be thinking more along the lines of "how do we make Hayward (and our other players) want to stay when thier contracts are up?"

They need to draft the best player that they can (or use the pick for a trade) to make the team the best that they can so Hayward won't want to leave. (Because we will be winning and contending hopefully)
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You can do both, no? Players have left contenders before.
 
stitches said:
If I told you that those are two freshman prospects one of them the almost consensus no. 1 pick and the other one is considered one of the raw prospects of the draft and could very possibly be available at 12, would that rise your interest in the second one?

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I'd be interested if he didn't run like a spaz. You're welcome NAOS.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You can do both, no? Players have left contenders before.
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True.
Principal remains the same though. You draft the guy to help the team get better regardless of what Hayward may or may not do in a few years from now.


Hayward should not have that much to do with who we draft.
 
Let me again state that acquiring a wing and getting rid of the traditional backup PG (Trey) is something I'd like to do, regardless of this insurance idea.
 
stitches said:
Did you see the new videos of him running after the running coaching he received? It's MUCH better now. He actually runs like a human now...
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Do you know if that has affected his lateral quickness? Turner indeed has a lot of upside, but I'm always wary of the idea of a skill just materializing before anyone has seen it in a game, let alone banking on it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd be interested if he didn't run like a spaz. You're welcome NAOS.
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Handlogten's 2 for 2. I was flummoxed 'til he tipped me off again. This guy's good.


Re Stitches post: I was comparing the two players too and wondering why Turner was falling so much lower. Seemed like a no brainer Jazz should jump at drafting him if he fell to 12.
 
BENTLEY said:
Handlogten's 2 for 2. I was flummoxed 'til he tipped me off again. This guy's good.


Re Stitches post: I was comparing the two players too and wondering why Turner was falling so much lower. Seemed like a no brainer Jazz should jump at drafting him if he fell to 12.
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Prospect stuff (body, eye test, situational statistics).
 
Was Turner's running THAT bad? I remember the first time I watched him I expected his running form to be much worse than it was because of posts in this thread.
 
spycam1 said:
Was Turner's running THAT bad? I remember the first time I watched him I expected his running form to be much worse than it was because of posts in this thread.
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Lol when I watched him I didn't even notice. I also didn't know at the time that he had a running problem so I wasn't looking for it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Do you know if that has affected his lateral quickness? Turner indeed has a lot of upside, but I'm always wary of the idea of a skill just materializing before anyone has seen it in a game, let alone banking on it.
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I have no idea, if we get him in for a workout the coaching staff should be able to assess his mobility. I think he has great instincts in defense and with his length it allows him to recover in a lot of situations even when not being extremely quick laterally. The bigger problem will be defending in space and pnr D, but in general I'm really high on him.

BENTLEY said:
Handlogten's 2 for 2. I was flummoxed 'til he tipped me off again. This guy's good.

Re Stitches post: I was comparing the two players too and wondering why Turner was falling so much lower. Seemed like a no brainer Jazz should jump at drafting him if he fell to 12.
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Some of the concerns about him:
1. His running gait was extremely weird/choppy/slow + there were medical concerns about his long-term health because of it
2. Questions about his toughness and strength(the strength part is one of the easiest to fix in the league, he has great frame, shouldn't be a problem to build his body the right way)
3. Very rudimentary low-post game
4. Ability to defend in space
5. Much better stats against <.500 teams(This one to me is the weakest argument against him, simply because there has never been conclusive evidence that this split in college means much for the prospects of a player as a pro)

On the positive side, besides the basketball attributes and skills he has, he seems to be a top-notch human being with a great family influence. I am saying that only because the Jazz usually emphasize that part a lot in their selection process.
 
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