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Trey Burke's potential

The great PG crop of 2013 will all end up bench players

MCW - Philly recognized his shot was irreparable and could not be their PGOF
McCollum - legit shooter but mainly plays off the bench in a low pressure SG role
Larkin - Was good last year........as a tank commander
Wolters - is he in the league still?
Schroeder - the best of the lot but a poor shooter and high turnover rate still leans toward a backup
 
Trey needs to improve no doubt about it, becoming more efficient and consistent I hope will come since he will be playing with better players off the bench this year.

His rookie year people said he doesn't have enough TO's he needs more to show he can improve, learn from his mistakes etc... this year his TO's are up and well people complain.
People said he needs to get to the FT line more by driving and developing a floater, he showed signs of doing that but yet people still complain without much acknowledgement if any at all that he was doing this.

Again I'm not saying he hasn't been disappointing and needs to improve but just thought I'd point out that people can get what they asked for and wanted and still not be happy.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
Trey needs to improve no doubt about it, becoming more efficient and consistent I hope will come since he will be playing with better players off the bench this year.

His rookie year people said he doesn't have enough TO's he needs more to show he can improve, learn from his mistakes etc... this year his TO's are up and well people complain.
People said he needs to get to the FT line more by driving and developing a floater, he showed signs of doing that but yet people still complain without much acknowledgement if any at all that he was doing this.

Again I'm not saying he hasn't been disappointing and needs to improve but just thought I'd point out that people can get what they asked for and wanted and still not be happy.
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Wolters ended the year in the DLeague playing of the same team as Diantte Garrett. I think he got cut by two or three NBA teams during the year. I believe the Pelicans were his last NBA stop.
 
zman1527 said:
From an article on Quin's first year on the part of the site no one visits, comments of maybe even reads (Jazznews) by Ben Dowset:

"Trey Burke was a major disappointment in his second year, although it’s pretty clear at this point he’s just a limited player overall. Some of his more “coachable” elements – things like court awareness, shot selection, and defensive positioning – either stagnated or even backslid some. "
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It's interesting to me that of all the players who were non rookies playing any decent amount of time that only two of them did not look better, Kanter (traded) and Burke.

Coincidence? Or should I say Quincidence?
 
Stoked said:
So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)
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I'd say the former staff was terrible but the evidence for the current staff certainly points to development.

So it's strange that Burke did not develop. Maybe he's only the leader of the team as long as things are working the way he wants them to.
 
Stoked said:
So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)
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I'd argue that Burke got better last year but he was asked to do too much. If Dante, Burks and Hood can score 40 pts a night, then Burke won't be as relied on to score, which wi allow him to play a better game, which will then look like he has taken this big step forward.

I haven't given up on Burke. I think a lighter load will make a big difference for him. What Burke needs is Exum to score 12, Burks to score 14 and Hood to score 14.

I don't have high hopes for Burke, but I haven't written him off yet. I think he could be a very solid backup PG.
 
Funny how quickly things can change in sports. Just 2 years ago, I was fairly confident that we had found our PG of the future & team leader. A year later (after drafting Exum), I was hopeful that he would become our 6th man scoring spark off of the bench. Now, I'm just hoping that he can become an adequate backup & not hurt the team. Don't get me wrong, I still think Burke has the potential to improve (especially in his decision making & ability to facilitate an offense) & possibly become a starting caliber PG (although likely never on a championship caliber team). He was drafted into a tough situation (pressure, lack of mentor/leadership, coaching, etc), which didn't improve much in year 2 (drafting Exum, losing starting position, etc).

I still believe that he felt the pressure last year, as well as the year before, & was pressing. With another year in QS's system & less pressure starting the season coming off the bench, I wouldn't be surprised to see him start to turn it around. Personally though, considering the success that this team had last year without receiving much contribution from the PG position as a whole combined with the fact that Exum has clearly become our latest PG of the future, I think it is in the best interest of the team (as well as Exum & even Burke) for him to be traded (for a reasonable return- if possible) & replaced with a young vet. As important as I feel that will be to the team's success next year, I wouldn't trade Burke simply for the sake of doing so as I still believe he holds value & that our success will be somewhat limited (regardless of our off-season moves) due to the fact that Exum (who I expect to improve significantly but not enough for us to truly contend) will likely be our starting PG.
 
Stoked said:
So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)
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orangello said:
I'd say the former staff was terrible but the evidence for the current staff certainly points to development.

So it's strange that Burke did not develop. Maybe he's only the leader of the team as long as things are working the way he wants them to.
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Burke did develop. His shot selection and ball-handling practices from within the 3-point line were markedly different under Q. His percentages don't reflect improvement, but that doesn't mean he didn't improve. I think he did. The problems are that he really doesn't see the floor that well, and he's overmatched physically. If he can't put the defense on it's heals with the threat to pass, then he can't offset the physical stuff.

There's no underestimating how important this next season is for Burke. If he can build on last year, and get his percentages a good place, then he'll have a future. If not, then the end is nigh.

If he's playing with the Jazz in October, then he needs to be the best 7th man in the league. That's what he's striving for at this point.
 
green said:
I'd argue that Burke got better last year but he was asked to do too much. If Dante, Burks and Hood can score 40 pts a night, then Burke won't be as relied on to score, which wi allow him to play a better game, which will then look like he has taken this big step forward.

I haven't given up on Burke. I think a lighter load will make a big difference for him. What Burke needs is Exum to score 12, Burks to score 14 and Hood to score 14.

I don't have high hopes for Burke, but I haven't written him off yet. I think he could be a very solid backup PG.
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He was asked to pass the ball to better players and run the offense, while playing decent defense. I fail to see how that was too much. That he failed at it and lost his job to a 19 year old rookie is telling.
 
NAOS said:
There's no underestimating how important this next season is for Burke. If he can build on last year, and get his percentages a good place, then he'll have a future. If not, then the end is nigh.
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This sums it up nicely.
 
Jazz4ever said:
The great PG crop of 2013 will all end up bench players

MCW - Philly recognized his shot was irreparable and could not be their PGOF
McCollum - legit shooter but mainly plays off the bench in a low pressure SG role
Larkin - Was good last year........as a tank commander
Wolters - is he in the league still?
Schroeder - the best of the lot but a poor shooter and high turnover rate still leans toward a backup
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Great pg crop lol
 
I truly want the best for Trey and hope he improves by leaps and bounds over the summer, but sadly, I think his ceiling is a smaller, less athletic version of JR Smith. However, his only saving grace is that he's the most clutch player on team.
 
I was beyond excited when we drafted Trey Burke, I loved how he played at Michigan and the Jazz were hurting so bad for a PG. However, until he can shoot the ball with some consistency and accuracy I really have doubt of how long he will be able to last in the NBA. If he can get his shot down then he'll be a career backup and be able to space the floor...if he can't then he is a short, slow non shooter.
 
NAOS said:
Burke did develop. His shot selection and ball-handling practices from within the 3-point line were markedly different under Q. His percentages don't reflect improvement, but that doesn't mean he didn't improve. I think he did. The problems are that he really doesn't see the floor that well, and he's overmatched physically. If he can't put the defense on it's heals with the threat to pass, then he can't offset the physical stuff.

There's no underestimating how important this next season is for Burke. If he can build on last year, and get his percentages a good place, then he'll have a future. If not, then the end is nigh.

If he's playing with the Jazz in October, then he needs to be the best 7th man in the league. That's what he's striving for at this point.
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I agree that this next season is critical for Burke.

But I really only see 1-2 areas that he had some improvement and the rest was stagnant or increasingly bad.

Where do you see this improvement?

For me it's only the stutter move to get by his defender and when to shoot while int he flow of the offense and not all the late shot clock prayers.
 
Best point guard from 2013 is Dellavedova. I'm still a fan of Schroder and I'm hopeful that Neto will show something too.

Trey Burke just does not have a future in Utah. Burks is bigger, faster, stronger and better at everything. I'm expecting the Jazz to keep Hood in the starting lineup and have Burks fill Trey's scoring role from the bench. That's a huge upgrade on both ends of the floor IMO.

Wouldn't be surprised at all to see them package Burke in a move up in the draft.

Wouldn't be surprised at all.
 
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