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Trey Burke's potential

I still have lots of faith in him to be a quality pro. He may never be an All Star, but he could be a solid spark plug off the bench maybe even a 6th man. Seeing his rise from good college player in a freshman year to player of the year, NCAA Final Four hero, and lottery pick in his sophomore year gives me the confidence that he can make great leaps and will put in the work. I hope he spends a little bit of time again working with Stockton and see Dante as both a teammate and as competition.
 
dalamon said:
Trey and Dante could make a good PG duo in years to come. This is easily the biggest offseason in Trey's career-- if he doesn't turn it on in his 3rd year, he probably never will. He's taking good shots-- he just needs to start making them. If it's mental, see a therapist. If it's strength, hit the weights.
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Bringing his floater on-line this season was a good start. Hopefully he'll improve it and add more to his game, if not, and Dante takes a mini Gobert-like leap between seasons 1 and 2, it's going to be hard for him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Layne Vashro has a statistical comp that measures NBA players years and compares it to other players based on stats, age, and height/weight. The comps that come up give me hope. Kemba, D Will, Mike Conley, and Nick Van Excel all come up. He is similar to them the year before they were effective NBA players.

Basically if he doesn't show good improvement this year it'd be safe to write him off I think.
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Nick Van Exel.

I weirdly would kind of love that.

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dalamon said:
Trey and Dante could make a good PG duo in years to come. This is easily the biggest offseason in Trey's career-- if he doesn't turn it on in his 3rd year, he probably never will. He's taking good shots-- he just needs to start making them. If it's mental, see a therapist. If it's strength, hit the weights.


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I would argue that a good chunk of his shots are not good shots. Dribbles the ball till time expires and throws up a prayer just because he decided not to pass it for 10 seconds or more. I'm pretty much done with Trey. I don't see the talent to be anything but a below average backup PG. He's short, slow, and a bad shooter, passer and defender. I don't expect him to be back. And if he is I expect his minutes to decrease a lot this year.
 
mellow said:
Also, shame on the Jazz. I know drafting is a gamble of sorts, and all young players don't turn out. But the Jazz aren't hitting homeruns with their draft picks, and they are barely getting the occasional single. They need to do better. The landscape of the nba and Utah's relative position makes it necessary that they hit on a higher than average number of their picks.
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Barely getting the occasional single? How do you figure? Here's how I'd rate the Jazz's recent picks and undrafted rookies, relative to their draft position:

draft picks:
Burke - swing and a miss (probably)
Burks - probably a double
Evans - double
Exum - jury's out
Gobert - home run
Hayward - double or maybe a triple
Hood - triple (and maybe home run, we'll see)
Kanter - not sure how to rate

undrafted rookies:
Cotton - single?
Ingles - double?
Elijah Millsap - single


I'd say the Jazz have done a little better than the NBA average when it comes to their draft picks.

How would you rate them?
 
Burke relies on his jumper way too much. Too bad for him, he's not a great shooter. I thought he would be a p'n roll pg that would feed Favors and Hayward all day. Instead he's a shoot first pg who gets taken advantage of on the defensive side of the ball. I think it's time to trade him with our #12 to move up in the draft...or for a bag of chips.
 
colton said:
Barely getting the occasional single? How do you figure? Here's how I'd rate the Jazz's recent picks and undrafted rookies, relative to their draft position:

draft picks:
Burke - swing and a miss (probably)
Burks - probably a double
Evans - double
Exum - jury's out
Gobert - home run
Hayward - double or maybe a triple
Hood - triple (and maybe home run, we'll see)
Kanter - not sure how to rate

undrafted rookies:
Cotton - single?
Ingles - double?
Elijah Millsap - single


I'd say the Jazz have done a little better than the NBA average when it comes to their draft picks.

How would you rate them?
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We seem to agree.

fishonjazz said:
As for the draft.
The jazz hit a home run with rudy

, at least a triple with hood (maybe a home run there too),

at least a triple with Hayward (maybe another home run),

and did ok with the Burks pick (probably a double with a chance to steal a base and make it to home plate depending on how he improves.)

Burke was a pop fly

dante is still up to bat.

Kanter was a bunt

All in all not bad imo
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fishonjazz said:
Well with the Hayward pick (#9) we could have taken aldrich, henry, or Davis.
George is better than Hayward but not by much.

You have to admit that Gobert was a home run, that one's obvious.

Hood at 21 is a fantastic pick.

Kanter is an ok player that puts up good numbers though that pick obviously didn't work out (kanter was the pick that 90% of gm's probably would have made too)

Burks is better that most #12 picks if you look at it historically. (We did miss by not taking leonard though) And I think Burks is not at his peak yet either.

Trading up for trey was horrible.

Like I said, dante is still up to bat and is very hard to judge right now but again, most teams would have taken him at #5 as well.

So I'm not sure why your are pessimistic about how the jazz have drafted.

Our biggest problem with this current team is that we have not aquired any big time free agents. (Possibly by design since we were rebuilding)

We have done fine drafting most of the time
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From an article on Quin's first year on the part of the site no one visits, comments of maybe even reads (Jazznews) by Ben Dowset:

"Trey Burke was a major disappointment in his second year, although it’s pretty clear at this point he’s just a limited player overall. Some of his more “coachable” elements – things like court awareness, shot selection, and defensive positioning – either stagnated or even backslid some. "
 
So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)
 
I was a nay-sayer on Trey. He came across as having Der-on prima donna attitude with less game.

But frankly, last year he proved me wrong in a lot of ways. His attitude coming off the bench was tremendous. His play in Feb - March was excellent as a scoring 6th man off the bench. He helped a lot in our superman run. Sure, his shot wasn't perfect but he brought plenty of scoring which started to open up his play making ability. A second year with Coach Quin Medicine Man will cure what ails Trey. He will be a fine 3rd year guard. Probably not a starter on a great team, but a FANTASTIC guard off the bench.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I was a nay-sayer on Trey. He came across as having Der-on prima donna attitude with less game.

But frankly, last year he proved me wrong in a lot of ways. His attitude coming off the bench was tremendous. His play in Feb - March was excellent as a scoring 6th man off the bench. He helped a lot in our superman run. Sure, his shot wasn't perfect but he brought plenty of scoring which started to open up his play making ability. A second year with Coach Quin Medicine Man will cure what ails Trey. He will be a fine 3rd year guard. Probably not a starter on a great team, but a FANTASTIC guard off the bench.
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The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I was a nay-sayer on Trey. He came across as having Der-on prima donna attitude with less game.

But frankly, last year he proved me wrong in a lot of ways. His attitude coming off the bench was tremendous. His play in Feb - March was excellent as a scoring 6th man off the bench. He helped a lot in our superman run. Sure, his shot wasn't perfect but he brought plenty of scoring which started to open up his play making ability. A second year with Coach Quin Medicine Man will cure what ails Trey. He will be a fine 3rd year guard. Probably not a starter on a great team, but a FANTASTIC guard off the bench.
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I will agree that he showed great public pose when he was made the back up. Was a very mature and appreciated response. Well done Burke.

However, while he did provide a much needed scoring punch from the bench he did so in a very inefficeint way. In Feb he shot 40% FG, 37% 3s and 79% FT

In March it was even worse: 34% FG, 26.5% 3s and 68% FTs.

He was the scoring punch simply becasue he was what Snyder had to work with. His options for bench scoring where often Millsap, Evans or Booker. Burke was the only choice really.

If Hood and Burks are both healthy next year (no reason to expect they won't be) one of them will be the 6th man and scoring threat off the bench. They will both be more effecient than Burke.

Career FG, 3 and FT %s

Burke - 37.4 FG%, 32.4 3s %, 81.8 FT% (trending down)
Burks - 43.6 FG%, 35.6 3s %, 75 FTs% (trending up, exception of 2015)
Hood - 41.4 FG%, 36.5 3s %, 76.3 FTs% (rookie year so no trend but I fully expect it to go up as Hood showed increases at the end of the season - he killed it in March)

The one thing Burke provided (mostly to lack of options) is now provided by a better player.

Burke needs to improve, dramatically, or he will be gone.
 
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