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stitches said:
He's said in his podcasts that he hates college basketball because the quality is really bad and he doesn't watch it. He watches specific prospect when the season ends so he'd do draft scouting videos for the ones in our range. He started off with Kelly Oubre, and has done one of Devin Booker. From what I remember he watches 2-3 games of each and does a video with whatever he's seen in those games as patterns... With Kaminsky he started crapping on him and making somewhat definitive statements about his prospect even before he started watching him and the danger of that is that you open yourself to a serious case of confirmation bias. When you go on radio shows, when you start tweeting around and podcasting how "risky" of a pick Kaminsky is then you end up having to justify that opinion with something more than "he's a senior, and was bad in his first two years" and the result is doubling down on his initial uninformed pronouncements with mind-boggling tweets like "Kaminsky is a ball-stoper", "Kaminsky doesn't move the ball", etc.
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Pretty sure he just Kaminksy holds the ball a lot, which makes sense because Wisconsin plays very slow. he wasn't saying he was selfish or a bad passer, just that he holds the ball for a long time, which happens in the Wisc offense.
 
Cy said:
Pretty sure he just Kaminksy holds the ball a lot, which makes sense because Wisconsin plays very slow. he wasn't saying he was selfish or a bad passer, just that he holds the ball for a long time, which happens in the Wisc offense.
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Yah, in team concepts and system he might be required to hold it and create, but what I got from his tweets and podcasts/radio shows is that he said that as a negative, as a something Kaminsky will have to work hard to correct(or maybe even not be able to correct), not as something he was asked to do, he meant it as a slight, as something innate to him, not something that the system required of him...

Here's one of the tweets(I can't bother to re-listen his podcasts for exact quotes from them):

David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports May 26

Frank Kaminsky is not a ball mover. Holds the ball for a while when he gets it. Will have to a significant adjustment there
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BTW that is the exact thing that most people take from what he's said on the matter. And of course, you can say he didn't mean it that way and can't be responsible for what others take from it, but I've heard several people(Jazz fans) use the exact same talking points and even compare him to Kanter in that regard only because they listened to Locke. One said he's a "black hole" from what he's heard about him. He admitted to have not watched him much so I asked whether he heard it from Locke and he admitted he did. Another one said he was a ball-stopper and has super slow release. When asked where he heard that, again he said Locke. This is not isolated incident or a single person misunderstanding what Locke means. I feel like he's doing a disservice to the Jazz fans by such misinformation.
 
Here's DX video on Willie Hernangomez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2u5Zrcrek

Possible steal in the second round. Very sound offensive player - can roll, can pop, can snatch Orebs, can spot up, has some post moves and nice touch around the rim, probably not the biggest upside, but still.
 
I really wish Nigel Hayes was in this draft. He is the has the most Draymond Green potential in college basketball right now.
 
stitches said:
Here's DX video on Willie Hernangomez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2u5Zrcrek

Possible steal in the second round. Very sound offensive player - can roll, can pop, can snatch Orebs, can spot up, has some post moves and nice touch around the rim, probably not the biggest upside, but still.
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If he is cool with staying in Europe for another few years.
 
And here's the weaknesses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTxIUYTwGs

Not very long, defensive deficiencies, awareness in D, TO prone... sounds a bit like Enes all around with exception that he's probably a bit better passer.
 
Cy said:
If he is cool with staying in Europe for another few years.
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He's already kind of 'old', though... He's 21... I was thinking more of a case in which we'd draft a wing/guard in the first and we might be willing to draft him in the second and bring him over right away and develop him behind (and with) Gobert and Favors.
 
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or he's doing us a service - if Frank is actually good.
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I doubt GMs are going to be passing on Frank over anything Locke says. But yeah, to those people who consider Locke a reliable source of information, he's doing a disservice. Personally, I stopped putting too much faith in Locke a few years ago when he wrote an article on Utah's offseason in which he listed some far-fetched Raja Bell trade as our best option to improve the team, and completely left out the Memo TPE, which was easily our most significant trade piece. I seriously couldn't believe how out of touch that article was. Almost like he hurried and threw it together while he was on summer vacation or something. Locke has his strengths, but IMO draft prospects and team building don't qualify.
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As far as I'm concerned, Stitches has been spot on with his posts on Locke.
 
BENTLEY said:
or he's doing us a service - if Frank is actually good.
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I doubt GMs are going to be passing on Frank over anything Locke says. But yeah, to those people who consider Locke a reliable source of information, he's doing a disservice. Personally, I stopped putting too much faith in Locke a few years ago when he wrote an article on Utah's offseason in which he listed some far-fetched Raja Bell trade as our best option to improve the team, and completely left out the Memo TPE, which was easily our most significant trade piece. I seriously couldn't believe how out of touch that article was. Almost like he hurried and threw it together while he was on summer vacation or something. Locke has his strengths, but IMO draft prospects and team building don't qualify.
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As far as I'm concerned, Stitches has been spot on with his posts on Locke.
 
As far as I'm concerned, if we land Trey Lyles or Frank Kaminsky with the 12 it will be a HOME RUN. I'm foaming at the mouth for the draft to get here. Mostly because it signifies the start of the offseason, and I'm eager to see what the Front Office has planned. Assuming we're fully healthy, we're a playoff team and anything less is a disappointment. The draft could be really great for us because both Lyles or Kaminsky will be able to contribute productively and positively off the bench from the get go.
 
He reminds me Jeff Teague. Brutal to pass on him. Think he would hinder dantes development? What could we get for trey?
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
As far as I'm concerned, Stitches has been spot on with his posts on Locke.
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Except he seems to worry too much about what Locke thinks. To me Locke is just another guy out there with an opinion in a sea of opinions. Agree or don't agree and call it a day. All he's saying is that the track record of older players who don't excel in their first two years isn't great. In that sense Kaminsky is a risky pick. I'm not sure he's right in Kaminsky's case, but whatever. I'm a lot more concerned about Frank's defense.
 
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I do find it interesting that when the data disagrees with certain posters the response is the the player they are pushing is "unique" or "special".
 
Lyles is an intriguing prospect.

However, he doesn't even attempt to play defense and makes CJ Miles look physical. For as talented as he is man does he have some glaring weaknesses.
 
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