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Would we accept #4 for Gordon Hayward?

Ellipse said:
If that is true, then I'm in the minority with fish as well. There was viery little improvement in Hayward's game in years 3 and 4, and yet he made a dramatic improvement in year 5. Completely unexpected.
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If I recall two years ago he got off to a quick start then wore down. Then he got bigger and stronger it helped his athletic abilities. Last year I was on record saying I didn't want to pay that much for him but if that's what it took to keep him u do it.
 
Who started this myth that Hayward is going to leave in two years? Besides why are people trying to trade away guys who have proven they can play for guys with potential? Hayward answered the concerns last year about being a go to guy. He does a lot of good things besides score. I don't want to trade Burks, Exum, Hayward, Hood, Gobert or Favors at this point. They've haven't even all played together and they have had only one year under Quinn.

After the all-star break the Jazz had one of the better records in the league, they were starting to get it and for the most part many of their losses were tough ones. This year, they will add Burks who didn't play last year and the #12th pick. Alec coming back automatically makes the bench stronger. Give our own guys a chance to play together a few years before dismantling the team, fans fall in love with potential during the draft and then when the player isn't as good as the hype they created they want to just trade them away for "the next best thing".

There have been trades proposed for every guy on the team except maybe Gobert, most of the trades are either bad or simply trades made by impatient organizations. Hopefully, the front office has more patience than some Jazz fans.
 
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cowhide said:
Who started this myth that Hayward is going to leave in two years? .
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Pretty sure nobody said he IS going to leave in two years. However, he has a player option in two years and will be eligible for a true max contract. With the jump in the cap, there should be absolutely no doubt that he WILL opt out, barring injury. He will also be unrestricted, so Hayward leaving in two years certainly is a possibility. So far, there isn't a single person who has said we should trade Hayward in this thread. There a couple of people who suggested it during the year, but I don't see either one in this thread. Mostly just a bunch of people overreacting to a question by the OP. I think everybody can just calm the smurf down, considering that we all seem to be in agreement that no, we should not trade Hayward right now. Just the same, Jazz fans should be interested in watching what happens with LMA and the blazers, as we don't want to be in a similar situation two years.
 
The title of this thread should be changed to "Why in the hell would we accept#4 for Gordon Hayward" and the answer would be "we wouldn't". /thread
 
What a difference one year makes. Are we all now suddenly certain that Hayward is the man who will lead us to be contenders? If not, what happenend to the notion that winning a chip was the only thing that mattered and that being a regular play-off team with no real shot at winning the title was basketball hell?

I like Hayward. I actually like him a lot, but am nowhere near certain that he is good enough to be the first or even the second option on a contending team. I really don`t care too much about that though, as I`ve stated for several years that as a basketball fan, winning is not everything. The win-big-or-go-home crowd on here must really believe we have a superstar in Gordon, and I hope you`re right.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
The win-big-or-go-home crowd on here must really believe we have a superstar in Gordon
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Or they just recognize that the odds of the Jazz drafting a better player than Hayward with the 4th pick are very very low. Like one other poster mentioned earlier, only one player taken 4th overall in the past 8 drafts is better than Hayward. Most are significantly worse.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
What a difference one year makes. Are we all now suddenly certain that Hayward is the man who will lead us to be contenders? If not, what happenend to the notion that winning a chip was the only thing that mattered and that being a regular play-off team with no real shot at winning the title was basketball hell?

I like Hayward. I actually like him a lot, but am nowhere near certain that he is good enough to be the first or even the second option on a contending team. I really don`t care too much about that though, as I`ve stated for several years that as a basketball fan, winning is not everything. The win-big-or-go-home crowd on here must really believe we have a superstar in Gordon, and I hope you`re right.
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Hayward had a better season then last but dont over exaggerate it. If Hood would have stayed healthy he would have been the better 3 by far. Hayward disappears when the going get tough until he bricks the final shot.
 
KD's Framily said:
Or they just recognize that the odds of the Jazz drafting a better player than Hayward with the 4th pick are very very low. Like one other poster mentioned earlier, only one player taken 4th overall in the past 8 drafts is better than Hayward. Most are significantly worse.
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That doesn`t matter at all. If the only thing that matters is to win a title, you have to be willing to give up everything you have for to avoid being a threadmill team for the possibiliy to become a championship team. Just looking at who was picked 4 is futile. You have to look at which players were available at 4. If the teams blew their picks, that is their problem.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
That doesn`t matter at all. If the only thing that matters is to win a title, you have to be willing to give up everything you have for to avoid being a threadmill team for the possibiliy to become a championship team. Just looking at who was picked 4 is futile. You have to look at which players were available at 4. If the teams blew their picks, that is their problem.
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lol, I could see this being a valid point if our roster was full of primarily aging veterans past their prime. It's the youngest team in the NBA - already with an elite defense, and multiple players with star potential. Pretty damn pessimistic to assume they're doomed to be a treadmill team if they don't trade Hayward for a pick that will in all likelihood be much worse than Hayward.
 
KD's Framily said:
lol, I could see this being a valid point if our roster was full of primarily aging veterans past their prime. It's the youngest team in the NBA - already with an elite defense, and multiple players with star potential. Pretty damn pessimistic to assume they're doomed to be a treadmill team if they don't trade Hayward for a pick that will in all likelihood be much worse than Hayward.
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I agree. I love our team and think it has a really bright future. Do we have what it takes to win a championship? I have no clue. The thing the build-through-the-draft crowd need to remember, is that by urging this strategy, you have to have complete faith in your FO and entire organization. You need to believe that they will take the 4th best player in the draft with the 4th pick (at worst - if the teams before you botch their pick, you get an even better player). You also need to believe that you have the coaching crew that can maximize the talents of this player and the ability to build a team around him to put them in a position to succeed. Without these things, we could end up with a player like Wesley Johnson, Thomas Robinson or Evan Turner. Hayward is obviously a whole lot better than these dudes, but is he better than the average 4th best player of any draft?
 
ncoloradojazz said:
The top 4 player sin this draft have potential to be way better. Borderline allstar is nit what you shoot for with a top 4 pick. SMH at jzz fans over valuing Hayward again
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Sorry, but you don't trade a "proven product" for potential. This isn't implying that Hayward is a superstar, but dude is certainly all-star caliber. Frankly, unless the kid we wound up drafting had a 100% trade-back guarantee, I wouldn't do it. Certainly not at #4.
 
I would not trade Hayward for the #4 pick because russell will be gone by then.

If russell is there at 4 then I would do the trade


I would then hope that winslow or johnson slips and try to trade up to get one of them to help ease the loss of Hayward.

I don't know what would happen with Exum in that scenario though. Maybe use him to trade up for winslow, johnson, super Mario
 
TheStormofWar said:
Sorry, but you don't trade a "proven product" for potential. This isn't implying that Hayward is a superstar, but dude is certainly all-star caliber. Frankly, unless the kid we wound up drafting had a 100% trade-back guarantee, I wouldn't do it. Certainly not at #4.
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If the Jazz had a winning record last year, Hayward would have had a good deal of buzz about being possible all star and may have even made the team. People only pay attention to the Jazz when they are winning. If Jazz get out the gate well next year, and Hayward maintains or improves his play, I guarantee there will be all star buzz about him. Looking at stats such as real +/- and WARP, Hayward was one of top 4-5 small forwards in the league last year.
 
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