Jazz to actively pursue Paul Millsap this offseason, per Spencer Checketts

[zman1527]

K, just checking. I agree about the fit thing, but I don't think age or even salary are as much a consideration. I'm the conductor of the Sign Carroll train.

But let's just say Millsap is down to re-sign provided he gets paid and starts. And let's say you can get Russell at 4 and the Knicks are down to trade that for Favors. And let's say Carroll is down to sign as well (which would be conceivable in this scenario since I believe the Knicks can absorb Favors' salary). Is Favors suddenly so irreplaceable?

A lot of caveats, I know. Anyway, w/e.

Favs is not replacement by PSap. PSap is always will be a way undersized PF. Hard to see him fitting in with this team, cuz he is not a SF either.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Favs is not replacement by PSap. PSap is always will be a way undersized PF. Hard to see him fitting in with this team, cuz he is not a SF either.

Did you miss the part where the Jazz get a bunch of really nice **** that would make them better now AND in the future? Whatever, it doesn't matter. This is probably rubbish anyway.

 

[NUMBERICA]

To reiterate, I wouldn't trade Favors just to trade him. He's an important piece to what the Jazz are and will/could be. But he's not untradable and the only scenario that makes the least bit of sense in the Jazz's hypothetical pursuit of Millsap is the Jazz trading Favors. It's far fetched to make all of the pieces work where it's a net positive for the Jazz, but it's not impossible that it could be a good series of moves.

With the order of the draft and free agency, I wouldn't **** with it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I am against reconstructed marriages. If you've got divorced, you have to carry on.

Yeah that whole lebron going back to Cleveland thing seems to be a total fail.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There was two parts to the idea.

It isn't simply trade favors for porzingas and go from there..... It's trade favors for porzingas AND pick up paul millsap.

The question becomes is favors > millsap and porzingas? Or, is favors/gobert > millsap/porz/Gobert?

I think it's interesting and should be considered

Where were u in the other thread... This is what I was trying to convey but everyone was all "why would we just give up on favors for a stooopid darft pik".

Not saying id do it but the idea has some merit if DL thinks Porzingis is a star who would be a better fit long term.

 

[jazzmania]

I do love the lineup of -

Rudy
Derrick
Paul
Hayward
Hood

It's big, it defends well and can score.

 

[GVC]

Favors last year, at least statistically, had a better season than any that Millsap has ever had.

Only if you fail to recognize that PER is garbage.

 

[GVC]

To me Millsap is a bench player on a contender, like a 6th man. He just can't be a starter on a contending playoff team.

Seriously?

Millsap led the 60-win conference finalist Hawks in minutes, points, rebounds and steals per game, was second in blocks per game and fourth in assists per game. He was second among all NBA PFs in WAR (from ESPN's real plus-minus), and 14th overall.

Also, just look at some of the players starting in the finals this year. Millsap would be an above average starter on most NBA finalists.

 

[GVC]

I'm a fan of Paul Millsap, but I don't really want him back. He's too old to be a long term piece for this developing team...I'd gladly bring back DeMarre Carroll though.

Carroll is only a year younger than Millsap, and plays a position that generally requires more athleticism.

 

[GVC]

Also, I'm not sure signing Millsap to a big deal is the right move, but Millsap > Favors easily.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Seriously?

Millsap led the 60-win conference finalist Hawks in minutes, points, rebounds and steals per game, was second in blocks per game and fourth in assists per game. He was second among all NBA PFs in WAR (from ESPN's real plus-minus), and 14th overall.

Also, just look at some of the players starting in the finals this year. Millsap would be an above average starter on most NBA finalists.

You're obviously a very big fan of his, so how much would you offer him? I'm not buying he will give us any kind of discount over Atlanta, we would simply have to outbid them.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Also, I'm not sure signing Millsap to a big deal is the right move, but Millsap > Favors easily.

No way. I'm a big Sap fan, but that statement is completely underrating Favors. The Gobert/Favors defensive duo is going to wreak havoc next year. I'm kinda shocked at the lack of respect Favors is getting from Jazz fans right now. Best defense in the league in the 2nd half of the season and by a long shot. Favors had a big part in that, and he deserves more credit than he's getting.

 

[fishonjazz]

No way. I'm a big Sap fan, but that statement is completely underrating Favors.

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I'm fine if people think millsap is better than favors (I don't) but they are very close in their value that they add to a team.

I think favors has more than one all star appearance in his future and I love him on the jazz but I do think sap is almost as good as favs and if you can get millsap to replace favors and also get russell or porz then I think you have to consider it.

That is a low risk and high reward trade. It's low risk because worst case scenario millsap isn't quite as good as favors (but still a very nice player) and porz or russell bust. We still have a very nice team with millsap, Hayward, hood, Burks, Gobert, exum, ingles, etc.

But, on the other hand...... If sap plays like an all star and fits perfect next to Gobert (very possible) plus porz turns into nowitzki or russell turns into steph then wow what a great trade

 

[MT Steve]

Also, I'm not sure signing Millsap to a big deal is the right move, but Millsap > Favors easily.

Favors averaged more points and more rebounds than Millsap per 40 minutes. Favors was also the 6th best rim protector in the NBA (Millsap was 103rd). Favors is 23 years old, Millsap is 30.

Given all that, really not sure how "Millsap > Favors easily".

 

[Goodluckchuck]

Yea I'm all for it. Let's break up the team chemistry and defense that we showed the 2nd half of the season and instead bring in a rookie who hasn't done **** and a undersized power forward. While we are at it. Let's trade Gobert for #1 draft pic. Because as of now Gobert is one dimensional as a defensive player. Re-****-ulous

 

[Carbon13]

I dont think were trying to break up the chemistry. I think the idea is to add to the team by bringing in a playmaking 4. Millsap is a great fit in that regard.

 

[Stifle Tower]

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That is a low risk and high reward trade. It's low risk because worst case scenario millsap isn't quite as good as favors (but still a very nice player) and porz or russell bust. We still have a very nice team with millsap, Hayward, hood, Burks, Gobert, exum, ingles, etc.

But, on the other hand...... If sap plays like an all star and fits perfect next to Gobert (very possible) plus porz turns into nowitzki or russell turns into steph then wow what a great trade

Low risk? Trade a fringe all-star in Favors for a pick and HOPE Millsap signs for LESS money in Utah than he could get in Atlanta. Sorry, worst case is Derrick is traded and Millsap stays in Atlanta (or signs anywhere but Utah). Also hope Porzingis turns into Nowitzki and not Jan Vesely. That's extreme, but there's a GOOD chance whoever is drafted at #4 DOESN'T become a star player.

The other risk? Alienating Rudy. He and Derrick have built up good chemistry together. I'm really not worried, though, because I think Checketts is just blowing smoke. Or, the Jazz are going after Millsap as their 3rd big. Lindsey is not stupid enough to trade the second linchpin of the best defense in the NBA and a player who has gotten better EVERY year. And is a viable backup center (or even starter if Rudy were hurt). You can't say that about Millsap.

 

[fishonjazz]

Low risk? Trade a fringe all-star in Favors for a pick and HOPE Millsap signs for LESS money in Utah than he could get in Atlanta. Sorry, worst case is Derrick is traded and Millsap stays in Atlanta (or signs anywhere but Utah). Also hope Porzingis turns into Nowitzki and not Jan Vesely. That's extreme, but there's a GOOD chance whoever is drafted at #4 DOESN'T become a star player.

The other risk? Alienating Rudy. He and Derrick have built up good chemistry together. I'm really not worried, though, because I think Checketts is just blowing smoke. Or, the Jazz are going after Millsap as their 3rd big. Lindsey is not stupid enough to trade the second linchpin of the best defense in the NBA and a player who has gotten better EVERY year. And is a viable backup center (or even starter if Rudy were hurt). You can't say that about Millsap.

I'm saying it's low risk if we end up with millsap...... In other words, in this hypothetical roster move we get millsap.

We all know who millsap is..... An all star or fringe all star caliber player and if he is on the jazz I think we still make the playoffs next year..... Even if the 4 pick ends up a bust.

That's what I mean by low risk. If we subtract favors and add millsap and the 4 pick to the team then worst case scenario we are still a really good team

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, I'm not sure signing Millsap to a big deal is the right move, but Millsap > Favors easily.

I don't know about "easily".

 

[Stifle Tower]

That's what I mean by low risk. If we subtract favors and add millsap and the 4 pick to the team then worst case scenario we are still a really good team

But that's a big IF! Utah can't even talk to Millsap before July 1st. So right now Checketts is saying there's a unilateral interest in Millsap returning to Utah. Jazz have no way of knowing if the attraction is mutual. What is Plan B? Gobert's goal is to make the playoffs. So we give him Booker and a rookie (Porzingis) to man the 4 if Millsap doesn't want to accept a paycut to return to Utah?