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Lyles is the pick at 12

Catchall said:
Does anyone have a sense of whether it's easier for a defender to cover a shooter 20-feet out on the baseline vs. all the way to the 3-pt. line in the corner?

I wonder if the Jazz swing the ball around the 3-pt line and hit a shooter on the baseline, if it's easier or more difficult to guard if the shooter is spotting up for 3 or if he's spotting up from 20-feet.

If the Jazz put a PF like Lyles out on the 3-pt line, on the one hand it creates more space for defenders to cover, but at the same time, it would take Lyles out of the play and makes him less effective as a passer and driver. In Lyles' case, since he's a triple-threat player, I'm almost wondering if it's actually better that he's 18 - 20 feet out instead of all the way out to the 3-pt line. A defender still needs to drop down to cover him, but Lyles can do more damage from 20-feet---shoot, pass to a cutter, drive the baseline, handle a bit to draw a defender, etc.

It's also worth taking a look at how the Clippers were using Blake Griffin during the playoffs. Blake was getting open looks from 18 - 20 feet anytime he wanted them.
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Umm, of course it's harder to guard at the 3pt line corner.

Not sure how him being at the 3pt line takes him out of the play.

Defender closing out harder to the 3pt line = more opportunity for driving and making a play. Or it means the defense has to rotate more which opens up more passing lanes.
 
Cy said:
Umm, of course it's harder to guard at the 3pt line corner.

Not sure how him being at the 3pt line takes him out of the play.

Defender closing out harder to the 3pt line = more opportunity for driving and making a play. Or it means the defense has to rotate more which opens up more passing lanes.
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Not to mention 3>2 and long 2s are the worst shot in basketball as everyone should know by now.
 
The easiest play to envision Lyles is is having a high PNR with a ball-handler with Favors/Gobert. Then Lyles slides out of the post to the corner 3. The handler hits the roll man around the top of the key, he can either pass out to the corner or drive it all the way to the rim, depending on how much Lyles man is digging down. Lyles should be able to extend his range to the corner 3 at some point in his career given the fact that he is such an efficient baseline shooter.
 
Cy said:
The easiest play to envision Lyles is is having a high PNR with a ball-handler with Favors/Gobert. Then Lyles slides out of the post to the corner 3. The handler hits the roll man around the top of the key, he can either pass out to the corner or drive it all the way to the rim, depending on how much Lyles man is digging down. Lyles should be able to extend his range to the corner 3 at some point in his career given the fact that he is such an efficient baseline shooter.
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Or just skipping the roll man and instead hitting Lyles if the D helps off of him to guard the paint.
 
I think Jerrett, Johnson and Cooley will be the first casualties from last seasons roster.
 
Dr. Jones said:
A good philosophy for sure.
Another good philosophy is having a guy that shoots at least 50% from 16-18' kills a defense.
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Defenses adjust to a player's strengths (at least in the playoffs) and a mid-range shot is an easier shot to take away if they decide to. Any positive is a positive, and being able to hit shots that defenses are being trained not to defend is more of a wrinkle than preferable or more fundamental. In other words, if he has a strong mid-range baseline shot, great, but it's better if he has that AND has developed more range. But, if I have to choose between 50% from 2 and easier to guard vs. 35+% from 3 and better spacing, it's not even a question that the latter is preferable.
 
Totally wondering how Lyles will play during the summer league. I think Hanlan will play well but I especially want to see how well Lyles picks everything up. Should be fine since reports state he has a high basketball I.Q.
 
Cy said:
Umm, of course it's harder to guard at the 3pt line corner.

Not sure how him being at the 3pt line takes him out of the play.

Defender closing out harder to the 3pt line = more opportunity for driving and making a play. Or it means the defense has to rotate more which opens up more passing lanes.
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Agree. Memo used to to do this all the time the defender would run toward him and memo would go right by him getting all the way to the hoop with relative ease. If memo can do this it should be a walk in the park for Lyles assuming he turns into a threat from three. Also the further out Lyles is the more of the court he will see and the more wide open the court will be
 
NUMBERICA said:
Defenses adjust to a player's strengths (at least in the playoffs) and a mid-range shot is an easier shot to take away if they decide to. Any positive is a positive, and being able to hit shots that defenses are being trained not to defend is more of a wrinkle than preferable or more fundamental. In other words, if he has a strong mid-range baseline shot, great, but it's better if he has that AND has developed more range. But, if I have to choose between 50% from 2 and easier to guard vs. 35+% from 3 and better spacing, it's not even a question that the latter is preferable.
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Agree, obviously. I just want a team not dependent on post or 3. Well-rounded offensive teams have become an anomaly and defenses aren't (and can't) be ready to defend every spot in the floor. I'm romanticizing here.
 
I hope people temper heir expectations for Lyles in summer league as I'm not sure summer league fits Lyles game his shot needs to improve and his game isn't built on supreme athletic ability and spacing in summer league is never that good.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Agree, obviously. I just want a team not dependent on post or 3. Well-rounded offensive teams have become an anomaly and defenses aren't (and can't) be ready to defend every spot in the floor. I'm romanticizing here.
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I'm with you on that point too. The Spurs were ahead of the curve (imagine that) on re-implementing the mid-range shot a couple of years ago. There's definitely a place for it. If players can have a mid-range shot AND a three great, but again, if I have to choose, it's always the 3.

Anyway, I think Lyles' form and his success in certain areas of he floor is encouraging.
 
I don't expect much from Lyles this season, he should be heading toward his sophomore season with Kentucky. I hate the one and done because of that, Utah almost lost Jakob when he really needed that 2nd season in college to develop, I think Lyles is the same case.
 
prodigy said:
I don't expect much from Lyles this season, he should be heading toward his sophomore season with Kentucky. I hate the one and done because of that, Utah almost lost Jakob when he really needed that 2nd season in college to develop, I think Lyles is the same case.
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Lyles would have easily went top-10 if he was the man on a different team. Probably would have averaged 17 and 7.
 
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