Pleiss

[♪alt13]

Perhaps. I'll adjust my tone accordingly.



Hayward and Burks will both be dangerous playing next to Hood, who has shown to be a MUCH more versatile scorer in his ROOKIE YEAR than Danny Green in the prime of his NBA career.




Lmao. Same category of shooter? How did this prolific shooter completely lay goose-eggs in the playoffs against the Clippers then? Are we really willing to judge Hood as always being worse after only like half a season's worth of NBA games?





Getting all excited about a prolific shooter who averaged 34% from the field in the 2015 playoffs seems incredibly stupid to me.



Moving Burke makes more sense if Hanlan or Cotton make him expendable.

First there is still plenty of time for Hood. Imagine Hood and another shooter. Srsly try to be a little sophisticated.

Second judging Green as a shooter based off of one playoff series is stupid. Dude has shot over 40% for the last 3 years. Sample size

Third just messin with ya about the 'Butt hurt hair' thing. (I think it just became my phrase of the week)

 

[Stoked]

Perhaps. I'll adjust my tone accordingly.



Hayward and Burks will both be dangerous playing next to Hood, who has shown to be a MUCH more versatile scorer in his ROOKIE YEAR than Danny Green in the prime of his NBA career.




Lmao. Same category of shooter? How did this prolific shooter completely lay goose-eggs in the playoffs against the Clippers then? Are we really willing to judge Hood as always being worse after only like half a season's worth of NBA games?





Getting all excited about a prolific shooter who averaged 34% from the field in the 2015 playoffs seems incredibly stupid to me.



Moving Burke makes more sense if Hanlan or Cotton make him expendable.

If Cotton plays like he did to finish the season then Burke is expendable.

 

[Stoked]

First there is still plenty of time for Hood. Imagine Hood and another shooter. Srsly try to be a little sophisticated.

Second judging Green as a shooter based off of one playoff series is stupid. Dude has shot over 40% for the last 3 years. Sample size

Hayward, Burks and I think Exum will progress well in that front. Plus Ingles was around 40% for a whole at the end of the season from 3.

Another shooter is always good but Jazz already have more than 2.

 

[Stifle Tower]

And the post I replied to was talking about permiter D. Only one aspect of the game. Never said or indicated they did anythinelse well or poorly.

Right, but both ends of the court need to be considered. Yes, we got good perimeter D, but our offense sucked. We need complete players to be a contender. The only exception might be Gobert because he is so amazing on the defensive end. And he's tall enough to average 12 pts/per just off rebounds and drop-offs.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Rodney Hood GP MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

Post All-Star 26 24.1 4.4-9.5 .464 1.6-3.8 .420 1.3-1.7 .814 0.2 2.0 2.2 2.1 0.2 0.8 2.4 1.0 11.8



This ****ing guy averaged this in his rookie season while closing out games as primary ball-handler, and we want to reward this by giving him a ****ing bench role in order to address our essentially non-existent defensive problems after Kanter left?

Baffling. If Cleveland can shut down teams with JR and Kyrie getting intense burn, I think we'll be fine with Hood playing okay D at the 2.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Rodney Hood GP MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

Post All-Star 26 24.1 4.4-9.5 .464 1.6-3.8 .420 1.3-1.7 .814 0.2 2.0 2.2 2.1 0.2 0.8 2.4 1.0 11.8



This ****ing guy averaged this in his rookie season while closing out games as primary ball-handler, and we want to reward this by giving him a ****ing bench role in order to address our essentially non-existent defensive problems after Kanter left?

Baffling. If Cleveland can shut down teams with JR and Kyrie getting intense burn, I think we'll be fine with Hood playing okay D at the 2.

By this measure then Exum is headed toward bustville because his stats were worse after the all star break. That's the problem with cherry picking.

 

[Deleted member 848]

First there is still plenty of time for Hood. Imagine Hood and another shooter. Srsly try to be a little sophisticated.

Ya if 70% of Alec's minutes are at the 1, which is incredibly UN-sophisticated, unrealistic, stupid, and a waste of the contract the Jazz gave him.

Second judging Green as a shooter based off of one playoff series is stupid. Dude has shot over 40% for the last 3 years. Sample size

No, it's very indicative of how non-versatile his offense is, in a team that has capable defenders down low, and the back-court is encouraged to press up on three-point shooters. Our current Jazz team has no one on the level of a 1-2 offensive punch comparable to Tony Parker and Tim Duncan of Danny Green's prime. For the umpteenth time, our defense was incredible last season-- our offense is in need of much more work. Defense wins championships, of course-- but teams with a lack of offensive versatility get swiftly eliminated as well. This year's playoffs are 100% the proof of this statement. Trying to make us go from 5th best to 2nd best in NBA defense is much less important than going from 25th to 10th best in offense.


We had the 5th worst offense in the league last season, and now we wanna swap Rodney Hood for Danny Green!?

Third just messin with ya about the 'Butt hurt hair' thing. (I think it just became my phrase of the week)

Lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

^^
Not really concerned with Burks playing PG on offense. He was initiating the offense for Utah when Hayward would sit. It's the defensive side that concerns me. Can Hood and Burks off the bench handle opposing guards? Neither are stellar defenders.

Burks is better defensively against pg's than sg's imo

 

[Deleted member 848]

By this measure then Exum is headed toward bustville because his stats were worse after the all star break. That's the problem with cherry picking.

A rather moronic statement, in all honesty.

Exum's post all star offensive stats show that, yes, his offense is brutal and in need of dire improvement.

However, he is not heading for bust-ville, especially if you take into account the Jazz record once Exum started in the latter half of the 2015 season.

That's the problem with making up statements that I simply did not say. If you're arguing that Hood's post-allstar stats do not represent his offensive talent, you are simply mistaken.

 

[fishonjazz]

Rodney HoodGP MINFGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT%ORDRREBASTBLKSTLPFTOPTS

Post All-Star2624.14.4-9.5.4641.6-3.8.4201.3-1.7.8140.22.02.22.10.20.82.41.011.8



This ****ing guy averaged this in his rookie season while closing out games as primary ball-handler, and we want to reward this by giving him a ****ing bench role in order to address our essentially non-existent defensive problems after Kanter left?

Baffling. If Cleveland can shut down teams with JR and Kyrie getting intense burn, I think we'll be fine with Hood playing okay D at the 2.

Pretty solid post.

Our defense is fine I think. Naos may have a point about our good defense due to pace..... How was our defense the last few months in terms of opponent points per possession and field goal percentage?
If it was really good then maybe we don't need more perimeter defense since Exum is quite good, Hayward is above average, millsap is great and favors and Rudy cure all lapses

 

[Deleted member 848]

Burks is better defensively against pg's than sg's imo

He has a historically poor DRTG against every team with a good point guard in the NBA-- a rather meaningless stat, but it's all I could find.

I tried accessing stats that compared his defense against SGs vs PGs, but I couldnt find much. I personally disagree with this statement quite strongly.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Pretty solid post.

Our defense is fine I think. Naos may have a point about our good defense due to pace..... How was our defense the last few months in terms of opponent points per possession and field goal percentage?
If it was really good then maybe we don't need more perimeter defense since Exum is quite good, Hayward is above average, millsap is great and favors and Rudy cure all lapses

Dude, let's not overcomplicate things: our defense is good because we have a mobile, smart defender with a 9'9" standing reach (who has shown to be statistically the best rim-protector in the NBA), along with a very smart, mobile defender at the 4 with a 9'2" standing reach, who's mobile enough to guard wings in crunch-time. Round that out with a very good defender defending the deepest position at the NBA, a glut of competent defenders at the 3 (Hayward, Ingles, Sap), and I think we can palate Rodney Hood at the 2 with Alec Burks.

 

[fishonjazz]

He has a historically poor DRTG against every team with a good point guard in the NBA.

I tried accessing stats that compared his defense against SGs vs PGs, but I couldnt find much. I personally disagree with this statement quite strongly.

He rarely guarded pg's but I remember him playing great defensively against cp3, Tony Parker, and shutting down lillard. Some pretty good pg's there

 

[fishonjazz]

Dude, let's not overcomplicate things: our defense is good because we have a mobile, smart defender with a 9'9" standing reach (who has shown to be statistically the best rim-protector in the NBA), along with a very smart, mobile defender at the 4 with a 9'2" standing reach, who's mobile enough to guard wings in crunch-time. Round that out with a very good defender defending the deepest position at the NBA, a glut of competent defenders at the 3 (Hayward, Ingles, Sap), and I think we can palate Rodney Hood at the 2 with Alec Burks.

Exactly.
Let the cake bake.
Screw carroll and green. They both gonna wish they were part of the jazz after next year

 

[Deleted member 848]

He rarely guarded pg's but I remember him playing great defensively against cp3, Tony Parker, and shutting down lillard. Some pretty good pg's there

Alec's worst two DRTG's against opposing teams in the 2014 season were 1) Atlanta, and 2) San Antonio. Two teams with screen-heavy offenses that Alec would get clobbered by. His Clippers DRTG was almost as bad.

 

[fishonjazz]

Alec's worst two DRTG's against opposing teams in the 2014 season were 1) Atlanta, and 2) San Antonio. Two teams with screen-heavy offenses that Alec would get clobbered by. His Clippers DRTG was almost as bad.

San Antonio very well might have been due to guarding Danny green. Burks ball watches and leaves players open who move without the ball.

Pg's have the ball allot so ball watching is not as much an issue.
Also physically, when looking at alec and his physical attributes would you call him a big strong well built player, or a smaller, faster player? I think speed is his best physical attribute and it would seem that attribute would be most effective against speedier players.

We probably just going to agree to disagree on this one

 

[♪alt13]

Dude, let's not overcomplicate things: our defense is good because we have a mobile, smart defender with a 9'9" standing reach (who has shown to be statistically the best rim-protector in the NBA), along with a very smart, mobile defender at the 4 with a 9'2" standing reach, who's mobile enough to guard wings in crunch-time. Round that out with a very good defender defending the deepest position at the NBA, a glut of competent defenders at the 3 (Hayward, Ingles, Sap), and I think we can palate Rodney Hood at the 2 with Alec Burks.

Most nights Hood should get every minute at the 3 that Hayward doesn't take. He is a Swing man and will play both positions.

Sap will be this years Evans. If he can't develop a credible 3 he is going to disappear into the pine.

 

[infection]

Trying to make us go from 5th best to 2nd best in NBA defense is much less important than going from 25th to 10th best in offense.

I'm skimming this thread, but in a more general sense thank you for putting into words what I've tried to convey previously as many have been obsessed with beefing up our defense.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Exactly.
Let the cake bake.
Screw carroll and green. They both gonna wish they were part of the jazz after next year

Amen. Let's see what Burks is capable of defensively under a coach who understands player development and who understands how to coach and teach defense. Burks has been subpar on defense, but he has the physical ability - he's a long, athletic, 6'6" with a 6'10" wingspan who plays with effort - I think under Quin's tutelage, he can be very good defensively. Hood showed promise defensively last year as a rookie and will only improve. Hood and Burks are 22 and 23 respectively. Green and Carroll are 28. Both Hood and Burks have so much more potential offensively than Green and Carroll - if they can get there defensively, you want them playing as many minutes as possible.

 

[Deleted member 848]

San Antonio very well might have been due to guarding Danny green. Burks ball watches and leaves players open who move without the ball.

Definitely recall Burks guarding starting PGs, especially early on with Burke being injured.

Pg's have the ball allot so ball watching is not as much an issue.

It becomes an issue when opposing teams know that the PG's defender gets buried in picks. Imagine Burks guarding Curry. Holy ****, the mayhem.

Also physically, when looking at alec and his physical attributes would you call him a big strong well built player, or a smaller, faster player? I think speed is his best physical attribute and it would seem that attribute would be most effective against speedier players.

I think he has the quintessential, prototypical SG build. Long, strong, solid base. I think he's quick, like quick enough to guard most opposing SGs, and strong enough as well-- I certainly don't think he can keep up with the Teagues, the Lawsons, the Curries, the Conleys, etc. He'd have a much easier time guarding the Oladipos, the Kobes, the JRs, Greens, the Redicks, the Thompsons. At least IMO.

We probably just going to agree to disagree on this one

Fair.