Jazz need to take on a salary dump player

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think they have to dump mills though. They extended the QO to COJO... I think they can rescind it and clear the same amount of space. I'm not exactly sure on this, but if I had my choice between the two I'd probably take Mills.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I actually am against acquiring and keeping Mills for the reasons I just listed. And I am just not a believer in Diaw's focus or interest level in almost any other situation besides his being on the Spurs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Are we then trading Mills, or are we to risk our precious chemistry with a backup PG that can light it up? What of our lord and savior Burke?

He's the perfect bench guy... I am not sure if you are being sarcastic towards me or the other Jazzfanz guyzzz. I have been a clear advocate of add talent and figure out chemistry later.

Mills wouldn't push Exum for minutes unless he still suxx. He can also play alongside exum in dual pg lineups.

He hits 40% on threes and takes almost as many as Steph per minute. Would tick a couple boxes for us. He's also Australian which is a good thing for us apparently.

 

[MDAV28]

I actually am against acquiring and keeping Mills for the reasons I just listed. And I am just not a believer in Diaw's focus or interest level in almost any other situation besides his being on the Spurs.

So essentially we need a terrible backup PG because you're afraid that in the case Exum is a bust it won't "help the chemistry" to have a better player behind him? Welp I'm sure glad you don't run the team.

 

[Stoked]

I actually am against acquiring and keeping Mills for the reasons I just listed. And I am just not a believer in Diaw's focus or interest level in almost any other situation besides his being on the Spurs.

So you don't want Mills due to the chemistry issues you mocked Dala for? (only thing I saw you mention in relation to Mills)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I actually am against acquiring and keeping Mills for the reasons I just listed. And I am just not a believer in Diaw's focus or interest level in almost any other situation besides his being on the Spurs.

they don't need to dump Diaw... Its just Mills.

If you are serious about not adding Mills for these reasons... Burke has given us no reason to believe and if Exum is threatened by Patty Mills (who is a great chemistry guy) then he isn't the long term answer.

 

[homeytennis]

They could have taken on Splitter so I wonder if this means Pleiss is coming over.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzpXr4JnA8E

Dis guy would only help chemistry.

 

[MDAV28]

They could have taken on Splitter so I wonder if this means Pleiss is coming over.

That's a great point. Do we know what Atlanta traded the Spurs?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's a great point. Do we know what Atlanta traded the Spurs?

Nothing... cap space and that's it.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Hahahaha, busted.

So Mills over Burke.

But Diaw or Booker (who could be dropped for next to nothing before 07/15/15 according to Locke)?

This is willing to let the cake bake because we are still asserting a starting role for Exum that he can succeed in, along with the roles of our other starters. Mills will accept a bench role, and he'll make Burke and Hanlan expendable if he outplays them. Cake secured. Burke and Hanlan are widely not seen as long-term starters for the core of this Jazz squad.

NUMBERICA's Exum point on the other hand is a contradiction, as others have pointed out.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Argument against salary dump is that this summer is the time to throw max or near max money at a B+ player because next year it won't really be a max deal. Next year that same player might be much more expensive.

 

[mellow]

The only rumor I've heard in the last eight years where the Jazz were even showing interest in just a starter-quality player was all this Millsap garbage a few weeks ago, and I'm not sure it even counts since it really never made much sense for any side. I honestly don't believe the Jazz even try to land players anyone else really wants.

Channeling my inner-Lindsey...Utah Jazz has a unique story to tell, and is a place that the right NBA player wants to be. Ah, crap I can't do it and keep a straight face.

Playing in the loaded western conference, Altitude, smog, cold, perceptions of the culture, a history of abusing players, and a roster full of 1 st round picks. Jazz couldn't even land Tomic. But hold off on hitting the panic button. There is a new president, new GM, new coaches, new feeling around the team. But If the Jazz swing and miss on tibor, hit the panick button.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So you don't want Mills due to the chemistry issues you mocked Dala for? (only thing I saw you mention in relation to Mills)

It frankly infuriates me when people get religious about something and then become the sinner themselves. The doctrine is "DO NOTHING THIS OFFSEASON BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET CHEMISTRY" to the point that they are opposed to and criticize others for even suggesting ADDING a very good free agent. Then, they suggest doing the exact thing that they're on a belittling bender about. It's ****ing dumb and gross. I'm pretty sure my arguments about who to add and why are more in-line with preserving chemistry than the loudest zealots are of their supposed cause.

But yeah, I'm protective of Exum. He's young and he didn't have a great season last year. We let Sap and Carroll (and Al FWIW) go so we could tank and we got him. I know sunken-cost economic theory is often frowned upon, but the Jazz have sunken a holy ****load into him and I don't want that to get ****ed up on account of a heat-check guy who we know very little about as a locker room presence. It's easy to get along when the hierarchy is established and there's a lot of winning, so I don't assume much about the positive locker room qualities of players in such luxurious situations.

Anyway. Yeah. A backup PG that isn't particularly young and can light it up is actually something I'm not particularly interested in. Because regardless of anything else, how much upside is there to such a move?

 

[NUMBERICA]

This is willing to let the cake bake because we are still asserting a starting role for Exum that he can succeed in, along with the roles of our other starters. Mills will accept a bench role, and he'll make Burke and Hanlan expendable if he outplays them. Cake secured. Burke and Hanlan are widely not seen as long-term starters for the core of this Jazz squad.

NUMBERICA's Exum point on the other hand is a contradiction, as others have pointed out.

I have made no proclamations rooted in piety. I'm mostly calling you out on yours and subsequent moral relativism.

Additionally, don your ****ing Johnny Carson turbin and tell us more about what you know will happen when/if Mills gets here.

 

[Stoked]

This is willing to let the cake bake because we are still asserting a starting role for Exum that he can succeed in, along with the roles of our other starters. Mills will accept a bench role, and he'll make Burke and Hanlan expendable if he outplays them. Cake secured. Burke and Hanlan are widely not seen as long-term starters for the core of this Jazz squad.

NUMBERICA's Exum point on the other hand is a contradiction, as others have pointed out.

If a wing comes in and put plays Burks/Hood/Millsap/Ingles then doesn't that make them in turn expendable? I pointed out the Exum/Numb thing myself.

But I feel that the policy should generally hold true for everyone except perhaps Hayward, Favors and Gobert at this point. .

 

[Stoked]

It frankly infuriates me when people get religious about something and then become the sinner themselves. The doctrine is "DO NOTHING THIS OFFSEASON BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET CHEMISTRY" to the point that they are opposed to and criticize others for even suggesting ADDING a very good free agent. Then, they suggest doing the exact thing that they're on a belittling bender about. It's ****ing dumb and gross. I'm pretty sure my arguments about who to add and why are more in-line with preserving chemistry than the loudest zealots are of their supposed cause.

But yeah, I'm protective of Exum. He's young and he didn't have a great season last year. We let Sap and Carroll (and Al FWIW) go so we could tank and we got him. I know sunken-cost economic theory is often frowned upon, but the Jazz have sunken a holy ****load into him and I don't want that to get ****ed up on account of a heat-check guy who we know very little about as a locker room presence. It's easy to get along when the hierarchy is established and there's a lot of winning, so I don't assume much about the positive locker room qualities of players in such luxurious situations.

Anyway. Yeah. A backup PG that isn't particularly young and can light it up is actually something I'm not particularly interested in. Because regardless of anything else, how much upside is there to such a move?

OK, fair enough.

How much upside? Not much. But that would clearly be an improvement at the back up PG spot and that is a spot that needs improving. Upgrade what you can when you can.

 

[homeytennis]

I have made no proclamations rooted in piety. I'm mostly calling you out on yours and subsequent moral relativism.

Additionally, don your ****ing Johnny Carson turbin and tell us more about what you know will happen when/if Mills gets here.

Mills is an Aussie, a former DLeague player, a St. Mary's alum so he, Exum, Motum and Ingles will have a Fosters and grill a shrimp on the barbie. All is good mate.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It frankly infuriates me when people get religious about something and then become the sinner themselves. The doctrine is "DO NOTHING THIS OFFSEASON BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET CHEMISTRY" to the point that they are opposed to and criticize others for even suggesting ADDING a very good free agent. Then, they suggest doing the exact thing that they're on a belittling bender about. It's ****ing dumb and gross. I'm pretty sure my arguments about who to add and why are more in-line with preserving chemistry than the loudest zealots are of their supposed cause.

But yeah, I'm protective of Exum. He's young and he didn't have a great season last year. We let Sap and Carroll (and Al FWIW) go so we could tank and we got him. I know sunken-cost economic theory is often frowned upon, but the Jazz have sunken a holy ****load into him and I don't want that to get ****ed up on account of a heat-check guy who we know very little about as a locker room presence. It's easy to get along when the hierarchy is established and there's a lot of winning, so I don't assume much about the positive locker room qualities of players in such luxurious situations.

Anyway. Yeah. A backup PG that isn't particularly young and can light it up is actually something I'm not particularly interested in. Because regardless of anything else, how much upside is there to such a move?

Mills is a ****ing aussie... he's 26 and has limited upside, but is the exact player you bring off the bench... you don't think Dante would want him. Exum gushes about Delly and I believe has mentioned Mills when referencing national team stuff. He'd be over the moon to have the guy in. If Mills lights it up it doesn't mean Dante is getting benched and if he's that sensitive he's a ***** who should not be starting or on the roster long term.

Dear god this is stupid... so if Cotton came in next year and started playing really well behind Exum we should let him go? What about if Burke turns it around?

 

[NUMBERICA]

If a wing comes in and put plays Burks/Hood/Millsap/Ingles then doesn't that make them in turn expendable? I pointed out the Exum/Numb thing myself.

Again, there's nothing to point out. I never suggested pushing anyone out of the team that I actually want, and I never suggested - dogmatically or otherwise - that the Jazz have to stand pat.