Utah Jazz vs. San Antonio Spurs 7/7/2015 @7pm Mountain Time *Official SL Game Thread*

[fgcamel]

At center, I'm not sure Andre Drummond is better overall than Gobert. They're pretty close. Lets see what they look like this year. Gobert could also be a push with DAJ this year. DAJ has a few more moves in the post right now.

And let's not forget:
Rudy Gobert from the line last year = .623
Drummond + DAJ = .786

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Put Hood infront of Hayward and DeMare Carrol because when Carroll was a Jazz man Hayward was a bench player.

 

[NAOS]

I wouldn't necessarily take Draymond over Hayward, but its close.

I would take Favors over both Love and Bosh next season and going forward and over Aldridge in 3.

I would place Gobert at 4 on that list. I wouldn't trade him for anyone on the list straight up (contracts included). I value D over O in a center and he is going to be the best defensive center in the NBA next year.

Gimme Favors over Aldridge right now. Today.

 

[l Abach l]

We have a top 5 SF, top 5 PF, and top 5 C on our roster, and we have Exum and Hood are you kidding me

If we have a top 5 SF, a top 5 PF, and a top 5 C then why the hell didn't we come close to sniffing the playoffs last year? Love my jazz, but c'mon man, take off the homer goggles... we're still a while away from competing.

 

[l Abach l]

I like Kawhi, but I don't really think he's better than Hayward. Put Kawhi on an average team, and I don't think he can be a first or second-option offensive player. Great defender though. I could see an argument for Paul George being better than Hayward due to his length and defense, but it's worth seeing what he look like coming off that gruesome injury.

At center, I'm not sure Andre Drummond is better overall than Gobert. They're pretty close. Lets see what they look like this year. Gobert could also be a push with DAJ this year. DAJ has a few more moves in the post right now.

Gobert > Drummond

As for the kawhi / hayward argument... give Kawhi as many touches/shots Hayward gets, and I'm sure he'd be putting up similar if not better offensive #s than Hayward. His offensive efficiency, combined with his scottie pippen-esque defense, places him above G-Time for me, and it's not all that close imho.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If we have a top 5 SF, a top 5 PF, and a top 5 C then why the hell didn't we come close to sniffing the playoffs last year? Love my jazz, but c'mon man, take off the homer goggles... we're still a while away from competing.

Because the rest of the roster was the statistically worst pg and a bunch of d-league players. Although I am not quite sure we have top 5 at all of those positions it is debatable and close to top 5. Enough that its not crazy to argue it. Where would you rank them? out of the top 10 at their positions? or are you ranking them top 6 or 7 and just claiming its homer to have your rankings slightly different by 1 or 2 spots?

 

[MT Steve]

If we have a top 5 SF, a top 5 PF, and a top 5 C then why the hell didn't we come close to sniffing the playoffs last year? Love my jazz, but c'mon man, take off the homer goggles... we're still a while away from competing.

The Jazz with Hayward, Favors, and Gobert all starting had a great record. Their net rating post all-star break was tied for 4th in the NBA. And that was with, statistically, one of the worst backcourts in the NBA.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Hayward probably 6th after you swap Draymond for PG13
Favors 7th or 8 after you insert Draymond and still have to put Timmy ahead of Derrick
and Gobert 6th after Drummond


I knew I was gonna make a lot of friends disagreeing but they're not that far off but still got their YET

Lol. It's almost like you have to bend over backwards to push the Jazz trio out of your top five, and even then you cannot push them very far. I understand your desire to temper your expectations and remain "realistic," but your argument makes it all the more obvious what an exciting era of Jazz basketball we are on the threshold of.

 

[Jazz and Utes]

Lol. It's almost like you have to bend over backwards to push the Jazz trio out of your top five, and even then you cannot push them very far. I understand your desire to temper your expectations and remain "realistic," but your argument makes it all the more obvious what an exciting era of Jazz basketball we are on the threshold of.

I agree, although I still believe that the three of them aren't top 5 YET, when I started putting the names out there I did realize that there's not that many better at each position. But I don't think a lot of people have seen DeAndre Jordan....I do think he's losing a ton leaving cp

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[l Abach l]

Because the rest of the roster was the statistically worst pg and a bunch of d-league players. Although I am not quite sure we have top 5 at all of those positions it is debatable and close to top 5. Enough that its not crazy to argue it. Where would you rank them? out of the top 10 at their positions? or are you ranking them top 6 or 7 and just claiming its homer to have your rankings slightly different by 1 or 2 spots?

I think the SG/SF position is very interchangeable in today's NBA, especially with the Jazz, as Hayward plays both positions. That being said, rankings:

Wings I'd rather have over Hayward
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Harden
4) Thompson
5) Leonard
6) Melo
7) Wiggins
8) Paul George
9) Hayward / Rudy Gay / Wade

All of the players listed above hayward offer some type of elite skillset. I want my #1 option on my team to have that.

I love Favors, but think that the Jazz would be benefit from having a PF that can stretch the floor alongside Gobert. PFs I'd rather have than Favors:
1) AD
2) Love
3) Aldridge
4) Bosh
5) Griffin
6) Ibaka / Randolph / Millsap
7) Draymond / Favors / Duncan / Dirk

As far as the Center position goes, we are very lucky to have Gobert. I place him at #6
1) Gasol
2) Howard
3) Cousins
4) Jordan
5) Vucevic
6) Gobert
7) Hortford / Drummond / Noah

Take any combination of a PF and Wing above Hayward and Favors and place them with Gobert, and we're a lock for the playoffs next year. (Getting ready for the hate from JF for stating my opinion in 3.. 2.. 1..)

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

If we have a top 5 SF, a top 5 PF, and a top 5 C then why the hell didn't we come close to sniffing the playoffs last year? Love my jazz, but c'mon man, take off the homer goggles... we're still a while away from competing.

Check the end of season trends and then get back to us. It's interesting how many people are so fearful of being let down that they won't allow their hopes to get up no matter what.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think the SG/SF position is very interchangeable in today's NBA, especially with the Jazz, as Hayward plays both positions. That being said, rankings:

Wings I'd rather have over Hayward
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Harden
4) Thompson
5) Leonard
6) Melo
7) Wiggins
8) Paul George
9) Hayward / Rudy Gay / Wade

All of the players listed above hayward offer some type of elite skillset. I want my #1 option on my team to have that.

I love Favors, but think that the Jazz would be benefit from having a PF that can stretch the floor alongside Gobert. PFs I'd rather have than Favors:
1) AD
2) Love
3) Aldridge
4) Bosh
5) Griffin
6) Ibaka / Randolph / Millsap
7) Draymond / Favors / Duncan / Dirk

As far as the Center position goes, we are very lucky to have Gobert. I place him at #6
1) Gasol
2) Howard
3) Cousins
4) Jordan
5) Vucevic
6) Gobert
7) Hortford / Drummond / Noah

Take any combination of a PF and Wing above Hayward and Favors and place them with Gobert, and we're a lock for the playoffs next year. (Getting ready for the hate from JF for stating my opinion in 3.. 2.. 1..)

So you have Hayward top 10 of SG/SF which is pretty much like a top 5 in one of those if you cut them in half. You have Gobert 6 which is pretty damn close to top 5 in your book.

and you hate Favors and grossly underestimate him.

 

[Jazz and Utes]

Check the end of season trends and then get back to us. It's interesting how many people are so fearful of being let down that they won't allow their hopes to get up no matter what.

I'm just as excited about the Jazz as everyone else is and i see their potential, but I think we're 3-4 years away whereas other people think we're 1-2

 

[green]

If we have a top 5 SF, a top 5 PF, and a top 5 C then why the hell didn't we come close to sniffing the playoffs last year? Love my jazz, but c'mon man, take off the homer goggles... we're still a while away from competing.

Did you not see our record after we started Gobert and Exum? Considering our bench was terrible and we had the worst PG play in the NBA and still finished at a 50+ win pace...

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think the SG/SF position is very interchangeable in today's NBA, especially with the Jazz, as Hayward plays both positions. That being said, rankings:

Wings I'd rather have over Hayward
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Harden
4) Thompson
5) Leonard
6) Melo
7) Wiggins
8) Paul George
9) Hayward / Rudy Gay / Wade

All of the players listed above hayward offer some type of elite skillset. I want my #1 option on my team to have that.

I love Favors, but think that the Jazz would be benefit from having a PF that can stretch the floor alongside Gobert. PFs I'd rather have than Favors:
1) AD
2) Love
3) Aldridge
4) Bosh
5) Griffin
6) Ibaka / Randolph / Millsap
7) Draymond / Favors / Duncan / Dirk

As far as the Center position goes, we are very lucky to have Gobert. I place him at #6
1) Gasol
2) Howard
3) Cousins
4) Jordan
5) Vucevic
6) Gobert
7) Hortford / Drummond / Noah

Take any combination of a PF and Wing above Hayward and Favors and place them with Gobert, and we're a lock for the playoffs next year. (Getting ready for the hate from JF for stating my opinion in 3.. 2.. 1..)

Not hate, but definitely a difference of opinion. Are you saying you would trade each of the Jazzmen straight up for any of the names above them on your lists?

 

[l Abach l]

So you have Hayward top 10 of SG/SF which is pretty much like a top 5 in one of those if you cut them in half. You have Gobert 6 which is pretty damn close to top 5 in your book.

and you hate Favors and grossly underestimate him.

So you don't think that any of those PFs next to gobert would provide a better combination than what we have now?

 

[l Abach l]

Not hate, but definitely a difference of opinion. Are you saying you would trade each of the Jazzmen straight up for any of the names above them on your lists?

I'd trade Favors and Hayward for the players listed above them in a heartbeat. Though if we didn't have Gobert, then I wouldn't trade for millsap (I think he's a much better fit next to gobert than favors is)

 

[l Abach l]

Not hate, but definitely a difference of opinion. Are you saying you would trade each of the Jazzmen straight up for any of the names above them on your lists?

I'm curious, which wings listed there would you rather take Hayward over?

 

[♪alt13]

Favors is 23! The only PF that is better to build around in the NBA right now is AD.
Gobert is the best Defender in the league at any position.
Together they will hands down be the best front court in the league for years to come.
I can't wait to see them go at Duncan and LMA this season.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

If we have a top 5 SF, a top 5 PF, and a top 5 C then why the hell didn't we come close to sniffing the playoffs last year? Love my jazz, but c'mon man, take off the homer goggles... we're still a while away from competing.

I'm just as excited about the Jazz as everyone else is and i see their potential, but I think we're 3-4 years away whereas other people think we're 1-2

You guys are underestimating the corner we turned last year. To put things in perspective, the Deron led team that went to the WCF won a whopping 3 more road games than the team last year, and that's with an abysmal first half of the season. The ability to win on the road is the first step towards being a legitimate contender, and Utah is well on their way. Anyone underestimating this team is going to be in for a big surprise.