2015 Annual JazzFanz All-Time NBA Draft

[The Midnight]

Thunder Dan Majerle


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Nice pick, used to watch him play for the Heat in the 90's

 

[Eminence]

^^ Under-selling D-Will. At one point, which is what is relevant to this draft, he was the best PG in a PG-heavy league. He was better than Paul, who was picked in 3rd round.

Steal of the draft.

I just noticed this discrediting of my dude. That's mad disrespect to CP3... Deron's best is not close to Paul's best. Paul's 08-09 is one of the best PG seasons ever.

 

[Siro]

I just noticed this discrediting of my dude. That's mad disrespect to CP3... Deron's best is not close to Paul's best. Paul's 08-09 is one of the best PG seasons ever.

I don't think it's disrespect AT ALL. There was a national discussion on which of the two was the league's best PG. It's not just me. Most gave Paul a slight edge, but many considered Deron the best. There is nothing wrong with where you picked CP3, but it just goes to show you how short the average fan's memory is.

 

[The Midnight]

I don't think it's disrespect AT ALL. There was a national discussion on which of the two was the league's best PG. It's not just me. Most gave Paul a slight edge, but many considered Deron the best. There is nothing wrong with where you picked CP3, but it just goes to show you how short the average fan's memory is.

I remembered that to be pretty brief though. DWill had the best of their head-to-head match-ups but overall I don't think there was much dispute that PG is clearly a better player.

 

[Siro]

I remembered that to be pretty brief though. DWill had the best of their head-to-head match-ups but overall I don't think there was much dispute that PG is clearly a better player.

And this matters because? The draft is about the players at their peak. And at their peak, DWill and CP3 were comparable.

 

[The Midnight]

And this matters because? The draft is about the players at their peak. And at their peak, DWill and CP3 were comparable.

Again it comes down to voters' perception I think. There is a reason DWill fell that far. Won't say more than that cos those aren't my players.

 

[The Midnight]

Hack is OTC.... are you still alive bro???!!!

 

[Elizah Huge]

In previous years with this thing the true best teams had a mix of old and new, since really that is the best mix. I would take many of the older players over the newer, and I think the talent level and results hold out. The problem is the voters go "no wait, I watched Dwight Howard dunk with a superman cape. Bill Russell is always in black and white. Howard is obviously better, duh." or "you know I heard they exaggerated everything back then. I heard Wilt was really only 6'6" and they just said 7'2", obviously the players today are so much bigger and stronger there is no way Wilt can be better than today's center, he would get destroyed." and then vote wrong. So this year I think many of us are trying to assemble teams that can be voted to win, not necessarily the strongest teams possible.

And there is the fun factor which is why I went for a blockbuster trade. Just to spice it up a bit.

I agree with most of this. Regardless of voters, Pettit in the 8th round and Cousy in 10th round is a lot different than taking them in the 3rd or 4th round and having them as starters. If I remember right, Ellis was saying he should have stuck with legends when filling out his bench after his matchup last year.

 

[The Midnight]

Welp, I'd have to say last year's crowd was a lot more talkative.. haha.. they reached 180+ pages when the draft part was done...


We've barely got half that so far.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Welp, I'd have to say last year's crowd was a lot more talkative.. haha.. they reached 180+ pages when the draft part was done...


We've barely got half that so far.

I was thinking something similar, for one thing trading with this crowd is a lot harder than it was last year. Everyone seems happy and content with their teams and last year everybody was looking for that deal that would put them over the top. Add the missing piece to their team so to speak.

 

[Elizah Huge]

White Chocolate had to go to work

Via proxy, he selects

PG: Bob Cousy

[video=youtube_share;o-xa6546ixc]https://youtu.be/o-xa6546ixc

6× NBA champion (1957, 1959-1963)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1957)
13× NBA All-Star (1951–1963)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1954, 1957)
10× All-NBA First Team (1952–1961)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1962, 1963)
8× NBA assists leader (1953-1960)
NBA 25th Anniversary Team
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
No. 14 retired by Boston Celtics
NCAA champion (1947)
Consensus first-team All-American (1950)
No. 17 retired by Holy Cross

White chocolate selects

C: Willis Reed

2× NBA champion (1970, 1973)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1970, 1973)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1970)
7× NBA All-Star (1965–1971)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1970)
All-NBA First Team (1970)
4× All-NBA Second Team (1967–1969, 1971)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1965)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1965)
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
No. 19 retired by New York Knicks

Thank you, Ellis. It's funny because I had Cowens as the next guy I wanted after Cousy and he went right after. I think a lot of our big boards are pretty similar. That being said, the current players are a lot harder to pin down and I think I'm not nearly as high on some of them as most of you. Some of you guys are taking them early over legends, but I totally understand, recency bias w/ the voters.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I agree with most of this. Regardless of voters, Pettit in the 8th round and Cousy in 10th round is a lot different than taking them in the 3rd or 4th round and having them as starters. If I remember right, Ellis was saying he should have stuck with legends when filling out his bench after his matchup last year.

Yep. My strategy last year should have been exactly that. I had all HOF guys except Kawhi Leonard and Damian Lillard. This year, I needed some shooters. It was so hard to pass on Pettit and Cousy, but they didn't fit my needs as well.

 

[The Midnight]

I was thinking something similar, for one thing trading with this crowd is a lot harder than it was last year. Everyone seems happy and content with their teams and last year everybody was looking for that deal that would put them over the top. Add the missing piece to their team so to speak.

Yeah last year you and QSH were really active trading wise so that was fun. This year we sort of rush through it a bit more. Oh well.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Thank you, Ellis. It's funny because I had Cowens as the next guy I wanted after Cousy and he went right after. I think a lot of our big boards are pretty similar. That being said, the current players are a lot harder to pin down and I think I'm not nearly as high on some of them as most of you. Some of you guys are taking them early over legends, but I totally understand, recency bias w/ the voters.

I think the problem is that many of the All-Time guys just aren't very good shooters. At least long-distance shooting. If you discount shooting and spacing in this thing, people sing you in the voting. Cousy, for all his bravado and brilliance, had a horribly ugly shot. If you're building a transition team, he's perfect. In the half-court. . . Not so much.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Yeah last year you and QSH were really active trading wise so that was fun. This year we sort of rush through it a bit more. Oh well.

If this is rushing through it, I don't want to see what slowing down would be.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think the problem is that many of the All-Time guys just aren't very good shooters. At least long-distance shooting. If you discount shooting and spacing in this thing, people sing you in the voting. Cousy, for all his bravado and brilliance, had a horribly ugly shot. If you're building a transition team, he's perfect. In the half-court. . . Not so much.

Well, it's a hard thing to gauge because they had no three-point line.

Pete Maravich probably would have averaged 40+ a game if he had one.

 

[The Midnight]

If this is rushing through it, I don't want to see what slowing down would be.

Hahaha.. that's true..this is probably about the right pace actually.

 

[The Midnight]

I think the problem is that many of the All-Time guys just aren't very good shooters. At least long-distance shooting. If you discount shooting and spacing in this thing, people sing you in the voting. Cousy, for all his bravado and brilliance, had a horribly ugly shot. If you're building a transition team, he's perfect. In the half-court. . . Not so much.

Yeah agreed. Shooting has become so important nowadays. Karl Towns and D'Angelo Russell selected over Okafor and the Warriors winning it this year is proof of this.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Hahaha.. that's true..this is probably about the right pace actually.

I like this pace, it's nice and laid back. Like I said it's basically the same as last year minus all the trades. We've had more trades involving big-time players compared to last year though.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think the problem is that many of the All-Time guys just aren't very good shooters. At least long-distance shooting. If you discount shooting and spacing in this thing, people sing you in the voting. Cousy, for all his bravado and brilliance, had a horribly ugly shot. If you're building a transition team, he's perfect. In the half-court. . . Not so much.

Not sure how much you watched in the 80s or earlier but most of these legends made their money playing half court sets. If there had been a 3 pt line they would have adjusted their game. In their world a free throw line jumper was a good shot and layups / hooks, etc. Of course. They understood spacing and were masters at getting off good shots in the half court set. Transition was also an important part of the game,and for that defense was key. I think given a half a season or so a Cousy or Russell et al would have the hang of it and would start to school folks.