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Cotton Making Life Difficult for Trey Burke

Nutsac said:
Let's keep it real though. Cotton is shooting 38% this pre-season. Against scrubs.
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Keep what real? As was indicated above, I don't think anyone is putting Cotton in the HOF yet, they just see more potential for him as a backup over our current backup. That is keeping it real.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
That's actually what I meant to say. Bottom line, the case to be made for Cotton - and it's an optimistic one at that - is that he's basically a Trey Burke clone, but you get that clone for cheaper price. He's a short, scoring, shoot first, PG who doesn't shoot it very efficiently. Even at that, again, it's an optimistic view if he can't do better in summer league than Burke does in real NBA games.
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Burke didn't do better in summer league than he does in NBA games.
 
Red said:
But in the San Antonio game thread, you stated:


"Cotton is a pure pass first PG. He struggles creating his own offense but its too early based on 2 summer league games to say whether or not he deserves a spot."

Cotton is not Kris Dunn. He doesn't have the gift of court awareness/court vision that Dunn has. For which reason I have a hard time thinking of him as a "pure" point guard. Dunn, on the other hand, may yet be a double digit assist guy in this League some day.

That said, yes, he looks to distribute the ball. He knows he's a point guard out there and has a job to do. I just consider the "pure" point guards to be those whose vision and awareness makes them born to pass, so to speak.

I also have to disagree with the opinion that he struggles to create his own shot. I think the opposite is true. He doesn't struggle there at all, it's one of his strengths in fact.

Like any serious player, he's always working on his game. Right now, I'd put shooting the ball well on a consistent basis at the top of his list of things he HAS to get better at. He gets to the basket and the charity stripe and converts his foul shots. That helps. I don't know how much he can improve his stroke, but he's going to have to. The guy will attack his weaknesses relentlessly. I never really thought of shooting as a big negative with Bryce Cotton. But he cannot be pleased with 21-60.
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He has gotten a tremendous amount better (in almost every area but specifically in creating offense) since he left PC. His junior year, he could not create his own shot. He can be a spotty shooter but when your biggest weakness is certainly fixable, I think like most he could be a VERY good NBA player.

seattlejazzfan said:
Summer league and Providence. 22 ppg, but looks to pass first every time. Lol. That's cute.
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Bud, take a lap.
 
Stoked said:
That is exactly what I (and most other posters) want from him. We advocate him over a slower and less efficeint PG for the right to battle Neto for the back up role. Some may just be talking about giving him the back up PG role but let's not pretend the board is acting like he is Tiny Archibald.
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I was suggesting that his ceiling is that of a backup or change of pace PG, I don't think he's there yet. On the first page of this thread one person suggested that he would be a starter on multiple NBA teams (and others seemed to agree). My impression from reading this (and many other) thread is that JazzFanz REALLY like this guy. If anything, I think he could be a minor upgrade over Trey. I'm hoping that Neto develops into a solid backup for us over Cotton.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
I was suggesting that his ceiling is that of a backup or change of pace PG, I don't think he's there yet. On the first page of this thread one person suggested that he would be a starter on multiple NBA teams (and others seemed to agree). My impression from reading this (and many other) thread is that JazzFanz REALLY like this guy. If anything, I think he could be a minor upgrade over Trey. I'm hoping that Neto develops into a solid backup for us over Cotton.
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there was one person saying that. And he admitted to being a fan of Cotton and not the Jazz. Everybody else is arguing that he's better than Burke. I don't care who develops into a solid backup. Neto's trouble with that role is his utter lack of an outside shot. Something a PG on this team will need with Favors and Gobert as the starting PF/C.
 
GoFriars said:
He has gotten a tremendous amount better (in almost every area but specifically in creating offense) since he left PC. His junior year, he could not create his own shot. He can be a spotty shooter but when your biggest weakness is certainly fixable, I think like most he could be a VERY good NBA player."

Quickness+handle=separation=open look. As long as he can continue to get free and open looks for his jumper, I believe his shooting % will be respectable. Today is the third game in as many days, and 7th game in just 10 days. It would have been nice to get a bye and a little rest. It also would have helped to have Hood playing as well.
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AlaskanAssassin said:
I was suggesting that his ceiling is that of a backup or change of pace PG, I don't think he's there yet. On the first page of this thread one person suggested that he would be a starter on multiple NBA teams (and others seemed to agree). My impression from reading this (and many other) thread is that JazzFanz REALLY like this guy. If anything, I think he could be a minor upgrade over Trey. I'm hoping that Neto develops into a solid backup for us over Cotton.
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Many of us do really like him.

Between burke and Cotton imo

Shooting - equal
Passing - equal
Attitude - Cotton
D - equal (?)
Speed - Cotton
Pace - Cotton

So I think he would be a moderate upgrade for this team. This team will excel with a PG that pushes the pace. It allows the young Jazz players to use their legs and athleticism.

I'd love to see Cotton flying down the court with Burks streaking down the baseline, Hayward on the wing and a trailing Gobert/Favors.

Cotton will fit this team much better than Burke imo.
 
Even though Lindsey said they might carry 4 PG's, he really could not say anything different. They have three point guards signed. If he says they will carry 3, it's the same thing as telling Cotton and Hanlan, via the media, that they will not be signed. So he pretty much has to say something that won't send that message to them. I would look for Burke to show up at training camp determined to keep his job as backup. I don't think it's a secret that Lindsey and Snyder prefer a backup that can drive the pace like Cotton. But the investment is in Burke. It should be quite the intense competition among the guards after Exum during training camp.
 
Stoked said:
Many of us do really like him.

Between burke and Cotton imo

Shooting - equal
Passing - equal
Attitude - Cotton
D - equal (?)
Speed - Cotton
Pace - Cotton

So I think he would be a moderate upgrade for this team. This team will excel with a PG that pushes the pace. It allows the young Jazz players to use their legs and athleticism.

I'd love to see Cotton flying down the court with Burks streaking down the baseline, Hayward on the wing and a trailing Gobert/Favors.

Cotton will fit this team much better than Burke imo.
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Yep, I'm looking forward to seeing that a time or two as well:-). One of the previews of last night's game suggested the Jazz would need Cotton to assume his Alan Iverson avatar if the Jazz were going to beat the Suns. Didn't happen. Be so much more fun to watch with those guys racing down court.....
 
I think Burke, when he isn't shooting a ton, makes his teammates better than Cotton.

I think Burke is better in the PNR also.
 
BRYCE COTTON MAKING HIS STATEMENT TO MAKE THE JAZZ

"Bryce Cotton is on a non-guaranteed contract for the Utah Jazz for this upcoming season, so to say the past two weeks have been important is an understatement. Luckily for him, he's been performing extremely well.

Few players on this level can keep Cotton out of the paint, as the diminutive point guard is a veritable blur with the ball in his hands. But while he's always had that lightning quickness, Cotton has done a better job of slowing things down and reacting to what the defense gives him. If he can keep doing that in preseason and in training camp, he's going to force the Jazz's hand. Right now, they already have three point guards under contract in Dante Exum, Trey Burke and Raul Neto. But with Exum having the ability to play off ball and Burke being maddeningly inconsistent so far in his career, having an explosive guy like Cotton who can give you something different might make a lot of sense.

Right now, this kid looks like an NBA player. Whether he ends up playing for the Jazz or somewhere else is a question, but Cotton has been one of the unmitigated successes of Summer League this year."


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...k-kristaps-porzingis-jerian-grant-lead-knicks
 
Red said:
Yep, I'm looking forward to seeing that a time or two as well:-). One of the previews of last night's game suggested the Jazz would need Cotton to assume his Alan Iverson avatar if the Jazz were going to beat the Suns. Didn't happen. Be so much more fun to watch with those guys racing down court.....
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Well I don't think he played the last 9 min of the 4th quarter (coincidentally when the Suns started to pull away...)
 
@GoFriars, here's a Utah writer who kinda agrees with your very high opinion of Cotton. In fact, from a Utah fan perspective, this is the highest praise I've seen yet. Bound to seem overboard to some. But who knows?

"Would it be better for Bryce Cotton if the Utah Jazz didn’t guarantee his contract and he was free agent after the summer?

You bet it would be."


https://hoopshabit.com/2015/07/15/utah-jazz-best-bryce-cotton/
 
GoFriars said:
Well I don't think he played the last 9 min of the 4th quarter (coincidentally when the Suns started to pull away...)
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He got in again, but if you want to read the highest praise, read the link I just left.....
 
Cy said:
I think Burke, when he isn't shooting a ton, makes his teammates better than Cotton.

I think Burke is better in the PNR also.
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Burke is definitely better in the PNR.
 
IDK, Burke played really well in last year's preseason.

What is better competition? Preseason basketball or Summer League basketball?
 
Cy said:
IDK, Burke played really well in last year's preseason.

What is better competition? Preseason basketball or Summer League basketball?
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obvs preseason, seeing as you actually play rotation players.
 
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