Planned Parenthood Selling Baby Organs

[framer]

The fact that you think the same people who cancelled Dukes of Hazzard are the ones making jokes in this dumb thread says a lot.

Everyone who disagrees with you is not on the same team. The people who cancelled Dukes of Hazzard didn't PM anyone on Jazzfanz and tell us to make light of this discussion.

SMH, Literally no, the people making jokes on the thread were not the ones that cancelled the Dukes of Hazzard. Congratulations. you showed me, I guess. . .

 

[Gameface]

SMH, Literally no, the people making jokes on the thread were not the ones that cancelled the Dukes of Hazzard. Congratulations. you showed me, I guess. . .

Several times in this thread you say things like "People act like the confederate flag being displayed is a faint on the couch situation and they don't care about dead babies..."

This world is made up of individuals. Figure it out.

You want to act like I'm simplifying this, go back and read all your dumb posts. As difficult as that will be (trust me).

 

[Ron Mexico]

They have released the full 3 hour video unedited. Really there are no two ways about it, she is guilty as hell morally, and likely legally as well. It is illegal to abort babies in such a way as to maximize organ retention. There is NO question she says that they are doing that.

She might be guilty, and if so she should be punished for breaking the law. Last time he did a video like this it shut down and bankrupted a charity for things that were not actually happening. No one was breaking the law. I think the same thing will come out about this, and already is. I dont trust his video's and what he says is happening in them. Quick google search tells me there is more to this story than was reported by this group. Also what they are actually discussing is in question. Just because they released what they claim to be unedited video (did you watch all of it or just read what they said about it and watch their edited version?) and claim what the conversation is about doesnt make it true.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/health/planned-parenthood-undercover-video/index.html

 

[DutchJazzer]

wether you consider recreational abortion righteous or just plain MURDER

Court Rules Obama Admin Can Force Little Sisters of the Poor to Obey HHS Mandate

In a surprising decision, a federal appeals court has determined that a Catholic religious order, the Little Sisters of the Poor, must comply with Obamacare’s abortion mandate. The mandate compels religious groups to pay for birth control and drugs that may cause abortions.

Without relief, the Little Sisters face millions of dollars in IRS fines because they cannot comply with the government’s mandate that they give their employees free access to contraception, sterilization, and abortion-inducing drugs.

Previously, the U.S. Supreme Court temporarily protected the Little Sisters from the mandate. The Little Sisters then went before the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver to extend that protection, but the appeals court ruled against them. Today, the appeals court upheld that ruling.

Sr. Loraine Marie Maguire, Mother Provincial of the Little Sisters of the Poor responded to the appeals court ruling in an email to LifeNews.com: “As Little Sisters of the Poor, we simply cannot choose between our care for the elderly poor and our faith. And we should not have to make that choice, because it violates our nation’s commitment to ensuring that people from diverse faiths can freely follow God’s calling in their lives. For over 175 years, we have served the neediest in society with love and dignity. All we ask is to be able to continue our religious vocation free from government intrusion.”

Mark Rienzi, Senior Counsel of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty and lead attorney for the Little Sisters of the Poor told LifeNews he is disappointed by the ruling and promised to review a possible appeal to the Supreme Court.

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“We’re disappointed with today’s decision. After losing repeatedly at the Supreme Court, the government continues its unrelenting pursuit of the Little Sisters of the Poor. It is a national embarrassment that the world’s most powerful government insists that, instead of providing contraceptives through its own existing exchanges and programs, it must crush the Little Sisters’ faith and force them to participate,” he said. “Untold millions of people have managed to get contraceptives without involving nuns, and there is no reason the government cannot run its programs without hijacking the Little Sisters and their health plan.”

The Tenth Circuit heard oral argument in this case December of last year, when for the first time since the case began, Sr. Loraine Marie Maguire, Mother Provincial of the Little Sisters of the Poor, delivered a public statement on the case.

Today the Tenth Circuit ruled that government can force the Little Sisters to either violate their faith or pay massive IRS penalties. The court held that participating in the government’s contraception delivery scheme is “as easy as obtaining a parade permit, filing a simple tax for, or registering to vote” and that although the Sisters sincerely believe that participating in the scheme “make them complicit in the overall delivery scheme,” the court “ultimately rejects the merits of this claim,” because the court believes the scheme relieves [the Little Sisters] from complicity.”

The Little Sisters and their attorneys are closely reviewing the court’s decision and will decide soon whether they must seek relief from the Supreme Court.

“We will keep on fighting for the Little Sisters, even if that means having to go all the way to the Supreme Court,” said Daniel Blomberg, Counsel at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.

The Court’s order similarly harms Christian Brothers Services and Christian Brothers Employee Benefit Trust, the Catholic ministries through which the Little Sisters obtain their health coverage.

Last year, the Supreme Court ruled that the Christian-run Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to obey the HHS mandate that is a part of Obamacare that requires businesses to pay for abortion causing drugs in their employee health care plans.

A December 2013 Rasmussen Reports poll shows Americans disagree with forcing companies like Hobby Lobby to obey the mandate.

“Half of voters now oppose a government requirement that employers provide health insurance with free contraceptives for their female employees,” Rasmussen reports.

The poll found: “The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 38% of Likely U.S. Voters still believe businesses should be required by law to provide health insurance that covers all government-approved contraceptives for women without co-payments or other charges to the patient.

Fifty-one percent (51%) disagree and say employers should not be required to provide health insurance with this type of coverage. Eleven percent (11%) are not sure.”

Another recent poll found 59 percent of Americans disagree with the mandate.

liberals are scum of the earth. and want to force the world to live by their ****ed up morals.

 

[Ron Mexico]

wether you consider recreational abortion righteous or just plain MURDER



liberals are scum of the earth. and want to force the world to live by their ****ed up morals.

So you want your morals that others find ****ed up forced on them?

Also they are not forcing anyone to use contraceptive devices or have an abortion. If those are against your morals you can still do that

 

[Ron Mexico]

wether you consider recreational abortion righteous or just plain MURDER



liberals are scum of the earth. and want to force the world to live by their ****ed up morals.

So you want your morals that others find ****ed up forced on them?

Also they are not forcing anyone to use contraceptive devices or have an abortion. If those are against your morals you can still do that

 

[framer]

She might be guilty, and if so she should be punished for breaking the law. Last time he did a video like this it shut down and bankrupted a charity for things that were not actually happening. No one was breaking the law. I think the same thing will come out about this, and already is. I dont trust his video's and what he says is happening in them. Quick google search tells me there is more to this story than was reported by this group. Also what they are actually discussing is in question. Just because they released what they claim to be unedited video (did you watch all of it or just read what they said about it and watch their edited version?) and claim what the conversation is about doesnt make it true.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/health/planned-parenthood-undercover-video/index.html

ACORN was EXTREMELY screwed up and deserved the axe. Bankrupt = not having the government write you checks, then that's the price you play for having your 501 operate exclusively on government funding. Are you denying that this lady is saying the things she said in context? Because you are just lying to yourself. And no, I'm not going to watch 3 hours of video. That is for the people who want to find a loophole and try to deny reality. Knock yourself out

 

[DutchJazzer]

So you want your morals that others find ****ed up forced on them?

Also they are not forcing anyone to use contraceptive devices or have an abortion. If those are against your morals you can still do that

but they use my taxes to pay for it.
making me part of it

 

[Jamezz]

Are we justified in taking life to save life? Humankind has reached a turning point, poised for conflict at ground zero.

 

[Ron Mexico]

ACORN was EXTREMELY screwed up and deserved the axe. Bankrupt = not having the government write you checks, then that's the price you play for having your 501 operate exclusively on government funding. Are you denying that this lady is saying the things she said in context? Because you are just lying to yourself. And no, I'm not going to watch 3 hours of video. That is for the people who want to find a loophole and try to deny reality. Knock yourself out

Watching all of it is what someone who actually wanted to know the truth about would do. Not just read what their side said happened.

I am not sure about this but I dont care as much as you do. She could be guilty or not. According to Planned Parenthood

Planned Parenthood has countered that it donates the tissue for scientific research and receives only reimbursement for its expenses, which is legal. The group also says it helps people donate tissue "with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards," according to a statement from spokesman Eric Ferrero. These outrageous claims are flat-out untrue, but that doesn't matter to politicians with a longstanding political agenda to ban abortion and defund Planned Parenthood. Women and families who make the decision to donate fetal tissue for lifesaving scientific research should be honored, not attacked and demeaned.

and that is all they are talking about in this video. Why would I trust someone (person who made this video) who has repeatedly been caught lying and being dishonest in videos and other parts of his life?

I am not lying to myself I just dont blindly trust one side of a story that seems fishy and has a liar attached to the accusations. I am sure the truth will be discovered in time. Like I said before if they are doing what they claim which is illegal than they will be punished. I am leaning towards the organization that has been very helpful to lots of women in need and very straightforward and away from the person with a clear agenda to smear them and has been caught lying to do that to other organizations.

Maybe this time he is really showing something illegal and has not altered anything or misrepresented what they are talking about, but that will come out in the process I am just not betting on it.

 

[Ron Mexico]

but they use my taxes to pay for it.
making me part of it

Didnt know you paid USA taxes.

Maybe your tax dollars are used to allow someone to do something you find Immoral. Taxes allow people to do things I dont like as well, that is part of being a member of society with different values. You are still not forced to actually have an abortion or commit immoral acts you dont want to.

 

[framer]

Watching all of it is what someone who actually wanted to know the truth about would do. Not just read what their side said happened.

I am not sure about this but I dont care as much as you do. She could be guilty or not. According to Planned Parenthood and that is all they are talking about in this video. Why would I trust someone (person who made this video) who has repeatedly been caught lying and being dishonest in videos and other parts of his life?

I am not lying to myself I just dont blindly trust one side of a story that seems fishy and has a liar attached to the accusations. I am sure the truth will be discovered in time. Like I said before if they are doing what they claim which is illegal than they will be punished. I am leaning towards the organization that has been very helpful to lots of women in need and very straightforward and away from the person with a clear agenda to smear them and has been caught lying to do that to other organizations.

Maybe this time he is really showing something illegal and has not altered anything or misrepresented what they are talking about, but that will come out in the process I am just not betting on it.

All sting operations are "dishonest" in that the people doing the sting are generally undercover. Nobody shows up, hey, I'm a reporter, I need you to be completely candid with me!

And no, as I mentioned, why are there different "transport costs" for different organs? Sounds a lot like pricing no? Woman NEVER mentions the term "transport costs." Also doesn't cover changing the procedure to harvest more organs, which is illegal. You WANT to be deceived on this, which is OK I guess.

 

[Jamezz]

If this thread was ever to have a theme song it would be the following. Had to drop it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfNgB1P8LCk

 

[Stoked]

Are we justified in taking life to save life? Humankind has reached a turning point, poised for conflict at ground zero.

That question is far to broad for a realistic answer.

 

[Jamezz]

That question is far to broad for a realistic answer.

I think it's way specific for a realistic answer, bold questions require bold and fearless answers.

 

[Harambe]

I think it's way specific for a realistic answer, bold questions require bold and fearless answers.

You ever said "let's go to war" before?

 

[moevillini]

Are there any livers available? I'm going to need one eventually.

You know how we have blood banks so you can bank your own blood?

Maybe we need liver banks - or maybe we have them already. Since they regenerate and all, why not have a portion of your liver removed now and stored for implantation later when the original is all diseased?

Someone should get to work on liver storage. It could be the next big thing. I could see a lot of venture capital going into this!

 

[Ron Mexico]

All sting operations are "dishonest" in that the people doing the sting are generally undercover. Nobody shows up, hey, I'm a reporter, I need you to be completely candid with me!

And no, as I mentioned, why are there different "transport costs" for different organs? Sounds a lot like pricing no? Woman NEVER mentions the term "transport costs." Also doesn't cover changing the procedure to harvest more organs, which is illegal. You WANT to be deceived on this, which is OK I guess.

That is not the dishonesty I am taking about. He claimed they were doing illegal things I'm his previous video and made the video look that way. It was proven the people were not doing anything illegal. He got people fired for a lie he concocted to push his agenda. Looks like he is doing that again. Yes they are talking about prices. You clearly didn't read the other side of the argument. The PP claims it's legally donated, he he is portraying the are not donated which is illegal. As far as discussing prices for organs go in the full video I have heard its made clear they are talking about transportation costs.

I have not taken a side, i lean towards the upstanding organization that has a great history over the agenda pushing liar but I'll wait until the investigation finds out before drawing conclusions.

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[Jamezz]

You ever said "let's go to war" before?

Yes, and I regret having done so.

 

[Harambe]

Yes, and I regret having done so.

Do you see how broad a question is though? Asking that bold question turns a yes/no into polarizing options; If no, go Ghandi. If yes, it's totally cool to kill babies.